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Good question. I'd have to go and see what the official policy is on this one. I know that disposable razors are highly recommended. Some things to think about. When you are in training, you will have to have all your things locked in a wall locker, so no time to recharge it..even when you sleep at night, your personal belongings are supposed to be locked away. Most BT posts make you pack away everything electrical, ie blowdryers, walkmans, etc...Also, think about the limited space in the latrine and the time you have to get ready in the morning. You and your fellow men will be packed in that latrine like sardines, trying to brush teeth, shave, wash up, etc...very limited number of outlets too. Even if they do allow them (some posts may...I don't know), it can be a logistical nightmare trying to recharge the thing or accessing an outlet. I know that some men use electric razors because of skin problems or ingrown hairs, etc...but rest assured, if your skin has problems with disposables, you can always go on sick call and get a "no shaving" profile and get help in treating the condition. Sorry I couldn't give you a straight answer. If you're really attached to your razor, you can bring it and then if you can't use it, they'll just pack it away with your personal bag until basic is over.

I'm leaving for Basic Training on January 24th. I'm 5'2" tall and weight 98 pounds. I need to seriously gain two pounds in two weeks and have been having a tough time doing so. I'm so desperate that I went out and bought weight gaining powder drink (500 calories per glass) in hopes that this will help. My question is what will happen when I go to MEPS before I ship out and I'm still underweight? Also, I know the the pounds will shed from all the physical activity at Basic, so will I be put on a special diet? Thanks!

Hmmm...I can tell you what they do at basic. I am not familiar with MEPS but I do know their standards and if I read them correctly, then you can keep going back at prescribed time periods until you do meet the requirements. Click on the link below and go down a few paragraphs to read about being underweight. As far as when you arrive at your BT post, your drill sergeants will "encourage" you to eat more...double portions, and they will steer you to the high fat content foods probably. BT takes a lot of energy and you especially can't afford to lose what ya got! How to gain two pounds in two weeks....I've heard some have success with those drinks...high fat foods, lots of starch, drink lots of water...there are many websites out there, just do a search for "underweight" at www.google.com and dig thru them.

Unfortunately, no you will not be able to. Once you arrive at the reception station, you will be fitted for your first pair of Army glasses. Yes, they look absolutely horrid, but they are pretty indestructible. You will not be allowed to wear your contacts because of the risks of getting foreign objects and dirt into them during the rigorous training. Believe me, it would be the most memorable experience of your life if you went into the gas chamber with contacts in! Once you get to your assigned unit and are out of training (basic and AIT), you will be authorized to wear your contacts and your civilian glasses, among other things.

Either at reception or at your BT unit they will send you to the medical clinic to get examined by a doctor (do let someone know you are taking them...they'll probably see it at shakedown anyway..try to get it taken care of at reception so it doesn't cut into your training time). I know that they do issue prescription medications for colds, sinus infections, etc..(ie if you need something cause you are sick). The key here, is that they do not allow you to take any medications that were prescribed to you BEFORE you got to BT.

I'm worried if I'm working out right. 4 times a week I work out for 30 minutes on the exercise bike with my heart rate at 150 beats a minute (recommended for my age, which is 32). I can do this okay, but when I start running on a track I get winded after half a lap and have to walk a little after finishing one lap. Currently my 1-mile run time is 11 minutes because I have to walk a few times, and I get that painful "stitch" in my side too. I'm wondering if working out on the bike simply does nothing for getting my heart in better shape, since it seems that is the reason I get winded so quickly running. Also, I have to breathe through my mouth when I run, since my nasal passages are unusually small and I cannot get a good full breath through my nose.

Running is just something you have to get used to. You typically don't get side stitches while biking, because there is not alot of up and down motion. Side stitches are caused by the tugging of your liver on your diaphragm, coupled with the heavy breathing. I can't tell you exactly what caused your stitch, but I can say, make sure you don't drink a lot right before running (or eat)..especially caffeinated drinks. Also, stretch out your abdominal muscles before you run. If you get one while running, the key is to change your rate and breathing pattern. If you have a right side stitch, then exhale when your LEFT foot touches the ground. Some suggest also pushing up and in on your right side where the stitch is (your liver) and exhaling at the same time. Drill sergeants will have your hold your hands over your head to stretch the area. Left side stitches are a little harder to get rid of..you can try the opposite above, or just change your rate of breathing by running slower, walking fast, breathing two breaths for every one, breathing deeper, etc... When running, you should not be breathing in and out through your nose...just breathe naturally..breathe in and out through both! Here is a good article on breathing: http://newrunner.com/home/0,1300,2-60-63-245,00.html

I assume that you are speaking of MOS 97B? All intelligence MOSs are trained at Ft Huachuca, AZ. Here is the link for Ft. Huachuca and the description of your course: http://huachuca-usaic.army.mil/SCHOOL/111MI/309th/97B/97B_Crs_Desc.htm Here is the link for your MOS: http://usaic.hua.army.mil/ocmi/career_maps/97b/97B.pdf If the links don't work by clicking on them, cut and paste them into your browser window. p.s. Just try to relax about the physical. Your day at MEPS will be a long one, so bring a book to keep you entertained.

Don't worry about AIT. When you graduate BT, sometime in the few hours after the graduation ceremony, your AIT unit will send a rep over to pick up a group of you that will go over to AIT (there will definitely be more than just you). You'll already be prepacked with all your civilian bags you brought to BT with you, as well as your Army initial issue items. Traditionally, the AIT unit will give you the weekend off..not always, but mostly they do. Once things start rolling again, you will get additional issue items that you may need for AIT, plus be given the opportunity to buy anything else you need.

I am assuming that you are going to Ft Gordon, GA (Home of Signal) and that your MOS is of the 31 Series? Do not worry so much. You will not be the only going from your BT to Ft Gordon. You will have most everything you need beforehand. When you all arrive at Ft Gordon, you will be issued the stuff you need for AIT. They will then march you to their PX/mini-PX (however they do it there) with a list of things to buy. In Basic Training, you receive an advance pay to pay for these purchases..you may even get the same thing at AIT. What in particular are you thinking about buying? If you want to check out some pages at Ft Gordon, follow the links below: http://www.gordon.army.mil/stt/index.htm 15th Signal Brigade where you will be assigned:http://www.gordon.army.mil/sigbde15/ Don't worry..you won't be "let loose" in an unknown situation. As your training progresses, you will earn passes and time off. You are still under control of drill sergeants..not as stressful and hectic as BT, but still not "free".

Can we bring a watch to basic? If so what type do you recommend? Also, can we use Locks with a key? Where is the key kept? Do we need to bring everything that is on the list for our respective BCT base? Ft. Jackson lists what to bring on their website, but the about.com website has a more general list. Raquel, I Love your site and your book by the way!!!I'm going to Ft. Jackson in March. I ship March 19

Yes, I suggest to bring a watch..preferably one of those sports watches that is waterproof and with the ability to light up. You will definitely need it! As for the packing list..you will find variations at all the posts. You'll do okay if you bring the general list really...you'll have the opportunity at the reception station to buy toiletry items and that kind of thing. I suggest that if you are going to Ft Jackson, bring what they have on their website. As far as the lock, I tell folks to buy one with two keys before they leave home, so they can lock it up right away at the reception station. You'll be given the opportunity again to buy one there..but again, maybe not right away. You keep one while your platoon drill sergeant has the other locked away (in case you lose yours). I'm glad you enjoyed the book..I hope you feel more confident now! Whatever you do though, don't be a "know it all" when you get to Ft Jackson. As soon as the drill sergeants know that you know more than the "average joe" you may be given a hard time (ie leave the book at home!). Just use your knowledge wisely!

Quite a few folks re-enlist..for various reasons. I would highly suggest going to the Army Discussion Board at www.military.com . There are A LOT of guys there who had a break in service...the topic comes up quite a bit. I guess it all depends on why you are going back in and to make sure it is not a rash decision. I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I know quite a few soldiers who thought they were too immature the first time around or they found out they hated civilian life..whatever the reason..take some time to think about it and talk to others who have done the same to get a different perspective. Good luck to you!

Sorry I'm responding a few days late...I was on the road. It sure seems like it would make sense to get up a few minutes early doesn't it! Believe me, you will be dead tired in the morning and will need every minute of sleep you can get! You will learn quickly to have everything organized before you go to bed at night. I know some guys can get away with shaving the night before..if your hair tends to grow like weeds overnight, the drill sergeants will spot this right away and get on your case! You know your face better than I do! You will be sleeping in your PT gear, so really you won't have too much to do in the morning before PT...some folks don't even brush their teeth until after PT (I know, sounds terrible..but I've know some of my troops did do this..I wouldn't suggest it though). You'll have enough time to tinkle and do your thing in the bathroom and then put your shoes on and out you go (unless it's winter, then you'll put on layers underneath). Grey spandex is also highly recommended (they will have it for you to buy here with your first paycheck..don't buy it beforehand)..you will wear this under your PT shorts (they have a "panty" insert which is pretty inadequate..you'll have to see which post you go to and which company..everyone does things differently). The only thing I want to recommend..don't sleep in the spandex..a warm moist environment is too friendly a place for bacteria to grow..you get the idea. Anyway, I am off on a tangent! No one will ding you if you get up a few minutes early...but your bunkmates may get on you if they hear a watch alarm earlier than they have to get up, and like I said, you just may be too tired...sometimes wake up is as early as 4am!

Exactly how much running should I expect to do in Basic? Is it only on the alternating-day PT sessions, or are there lots of runs during the day too? How long is the average run in the first few weeks? Also, I seem to be getting conflicting information on the about.com message board regarding arch supports. Some say I can bring them, some say forget it, and others say the Army will issue me some! As I have flat feet, 1-2 pairs of arch supports will be crucial for me.

Running..you will be running in some form everyday..even in boots for short distances (ie running back and forth into the barracks and such...no walking back and forth between formations and wherever you have to go). As far as structured running...you will have PT six days out of the week (with few exceptions). These will alternate with pushup/situp development (mostly in a grassy field or sawdust pit..you may run to your pit depending on how far away you are..most PT areas are near the barracks..time is at a premium at BT!)....and running improvement which will be done in ability groups. As far as arch supports...I don't remember too many soldiers having them. If I were you, I'd have them in my shoes (boots and tennis shoes). In BT, if you don't complain about something, I doubt anyone will bother you about them. I think if you are having pain and go to the healthcare facility (and the arch supports are not helping)...this is where you may be faced with problems. I don't think they issue arch supports, but I may be mistaken on this...things change all the time!

It all depends on which ability group you are in. Naturally, the faster runners will run farther than the slower groups of runners ..they are the ones averaging five miles or so (later in the cycle). If you are going to Benning or another all male post..you will be pushed farther and harder than let's say at a mixed gender post. If you start out in the slow group, you will be lucky to run around the block a few times. You only have an hour to do PT usually. So you get in formation, take a head count (make sure everyone is there), stretch and then start PT (the actual running or pushup/situp improvement)..leaving maybe five minutes for cool down. That doesn't leave a lot of time for running long distances..especially for the slow groups.

Not a lot of time before end of Jan. The key is to do speed work one day and then long distance stamina-type running the next. Don't overdo the running in the weeks before BT as you don't want to overstress your bones right before you get there also. I suggest running 3-4x a week (the other days you can run just to warm up while you work on your pushups and situps). One day will be long distance running over a variety of terrain at a slow pace. The other day will focus on wind sprints (best done on a track or other flat surface so you can measure the distances you must sprint/jog). These days are alternated throughout the week. If you have no idea what wind sprints are, you should be able to do a general search on www.google.com that will tell you how to do them (also called indian running).

Dumb question: am I allowed to keep a notebook as a journal in Basic? I have one with some "motivational" phrases written in it that I occasionally look at to keep me focused...is the DI going to rip it out of my hands and read it to the entire company like it was a forbidden 2nd-grade love letter? Regarding boots: are you allowed to bring anything to help polish the boots, or are you stuck with whatever the PX sells?

You will be encouraged to buy a notebook if you do not already have one to take notes in for class. Do not buy a large 8-1/2x11, but one that will fit in your cargo pocket of your pants. Maybe you could have two, one for notes and one for your journal. You'll probably do most of your "journal writing" in your off-time (ie when not actively engaged in a class). I've known people to doodle in class who of course have had their stuff taken away during class. If you decide to write during class, be sure that it looks like you are taking notes:-))

I'm trying to get into shape for basic (I think most of us are) and I'm trying to work on my running. It is often dark when I leave in the morning and dark or almost dark when I get home at night, and the neighborhood I live in is not a good one to be out in after dark, so it is difficult for me to find a time to run. Someone told me that if you jump rope (like really fast) it will improve your stamina for running, and is actually better because it gives you a full body work out, not just legs and lungs. What do you think? Also, I know what the minimums for the PT test are on push ups and sit ups, but I doubt they will have us just doing the minimums. What is the average that I'll have to do at one time? (Oh, and on the two mile run I had to do with my unit, I made it about a mile, walked half a mile, and had a second lieutenant make me run the last half (she was really nice about it, too.))

Regarding the jumping rope, yes it does give a more "full body" workout than pure running because you do a lot with your arms and shoulders also. It is also great in that it does give you a harder workout in a shorter amount of time than running. Those are the good points. The bad points..I would not recommend it for a beginner..jumping rope for an extended period time will get your heart rate up there..but you can't sustain the rope jumping for too long (as a beginner). I would also worry the stress that your shins and lower extremeties would be taking with jumping rope. There are activities that you can do indoors. I've known quite a few people who can reach their target heart rate and keep it going for 20-25 min doing aerobics to a video! I don't know if you are familiar with what your resting heart rate is vs. what your target heartrate needs to be. If you want to read more about how to calculate it, here's a good website: http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heart.htm As far as the standards for the PT test, yes if you reach the minimums, you pass. Although of course the drill sergeants do encourage you to strive for better than that. When you have your PT sessions, you will of course "go for the burn" and do so many repetitions until you won't be able to lift your arms over your heard or laugh too hard...that's how much your muscles will be broken down after a good PT session. The good part is that your muscles will be getting stronger by doing this. See what motivation can do (ie the 2nd LT)?

They try to be somewhat realistic. They'll say, "drop and give me 10" or something like that...at least in the beginning..they take in your ability to an extent also. As you begin to struggle with the last repetitions, they will probably bend down in your face and the spittle will start to fly. Of course they will try to motivate you to go beyond what you feel you can do...lots of "mental" pushing going on. When they see that you can't do any more, they will tell you to get up and get away from them in such a tone that'll make you feel pretty low (they're pretty good at that)..again, motivation to not screw up the next time (if you got pushups as punishment). Remember, you can't "wear your heart on your sleeve here", so to speak. The DSs can't touch you physically (unless for safety concerns or correcting something..ie correcting the position of your hand while you are learning to do the salute...that kind of thing). They can't abuse you mentally either (constantly demeaning you for no reason at all)..but they can use their voice to motivate you. Remember not to take it personally...it's not that they don't like you and want to be mean to you..they are trying to motivate you to go above and beyond what you think your ability is..and sometimes, it really does surprise a recruit when they go beyond.

Geoff, I think it's great that you are already starting to get in some kind of shape before you get to BT. A nine minute mile runtime is a fairly slow to medium time (for males). You may start out running with the slow group. Typically, there are three to four groups in each company. After you take the first PT test, you will be split up into your running groups according to your times. You will then stick with this group until the next PT test. The slow group is always the largest and always spends the longest time "out there" running. This in itself is an incentive not to be in that group, as you will have the least amount of time of anyone to shower, get dressed and get your area "squared away" before chow. You will run in these groups about every other day and concentrate on building up your stamina. When people do start to fall out, the drill sergeants do go after them. Yes, you will get yelled at and they will be "in your face", and they will try to motivate you to catch up. Yes, if they see you are really trying they might not be as hard on you as let's say a person who all out quits and gives up. If you fall too far behind, the drill sergeants at the front of the formation will turn the formation around and run back to pick up the stragglers. This usually has the added effect of peer pressure...the recruits who do keep up get a bit perturbed when they have to turn around to come get you...I think you get the idea. I don't know how long you have to prepare before BT, but you are doing the right thing by getting ready ahead of time. Good luck to you!

Oh yes, definitely. Even if you're a speed walker, running is the only way to go. Don't worry that you are alternating running with walking now. As long as you keep your heart rate up at a specific rate (there are plenty of books on the subject..check your local library) and start running again when you catch your breath, you are still bettering yourself physically. While you train, the key is to alternate slow, long run days over a variety of terrain (hills, etc) with shorter run days that incorporate sprints. On these sprint days,you can use a track or some other fairly flat surface (a less travelled road with let's say telephone poles spaced apart at regular intervals). After warming up (and of course stretching before that), jog from one pole to the next (or every 2 poles)...then sprint the next 2 poles as fast as you can, then jog the next set, etc. Then have one day of rest a week with no running. This is the fastest way to increase your runtime and your stamina

I've just got your book and noticed in the FAQs that you mention thatI won't be able to wear my contacts, which is very unfortunate. I couldn'tget straight however, whether I'd be able to wear my own glasses or whether I'd have to stick with the Army issue ones. Which is it? (Not thatI enjoy wearing my glasses at all!) Will I be able to wear my contacts forgraduation?Thanks for the wonderfully informative book!-Sarah

Sorry for the confusion! Let me clarify. When you first arrive at the reception station at your basic training post, you will have an eye test and get a prescription for glasses. You'll wear your civilian glasses until you get the military ones. It usually takes a day or two to get these while at the reception station. Yes, these glasses look horrible (big brown ugly rims), but they are sturdy and will hold up pretty well during your training. You will then be required to wear these throughout BT, including any off time you may have. Do hang on to your civilian glasses and keep them in your wall locker, just in case your issue ones break (I believe you'll get two pair). Some basic training companies will allow you to wear your contacts for graduation, some will not. Policies will be different at your AIT post..you'll have to wait and see. Good luck to you!

Well, you're right...if you're used to good vegetarian meals (ie main course dishes), you won't get that in the Army! But, the Army does make an effort with what's available. There will always be plenty of starches in the "hot" food category..you'll see lots of potatoes here!..Canned veggies are mostly bland with lots of butter, although you may see some freshly cooked veggies. When you're not the last company through the chow hall, you will always find the salad bar fully stocked. There you will find most of the things your average salad bar has. Drink-wise..your first glass will always have to be water. Otherwise, you can count on strong Koolaid..some posts have a Gatorade-type drink now also. In the morning you will find juice and also milk. As far as fish (if your diet also includes it), you rarely see any fresh..you may see some frozen varieties, heavily breaded..but that's about it. In the mornings, you'll have eggs, potatoes/hash browns, a few types of cold cereals, fresh fruit (that's at all meals too), oatmeal, grits, pancakes..that kind of thing..a very heavy breakfast, although the bfast bar, in addition to the cold cereals, you will find yogurt and fruits there also. Now if you can just wolf everything down in about 10 min, you'll be set:-)) Good luck!

Flat feet in general will not disqualify you (I had quite a few trainees with flat feet). They have to be fairly severe. Here is the Army's description of what is considered severe: "pronounced cases, with decided eversion of the foot and marked bulging of the inner border, due to rotation of the talus, regardless of the presence or absence of symptoms" Even if you do have pronounced flat feet, you can always try to get a waiver if you really want to join (but I see in your case, MEPS did not even catch that you had flat feet..I think this is typical; they don't catch everything). The bottom line...if you have ANY medical condition and it interferes with your training (you can't do PT or march, etc..) then you will be sent home from basic training on an EPTS (Existing Prior to Service) Medical Discharge. Are you able to march/run long distances (either with or without inserts)? In my experience (at the company level), I don't ever remember any trainees with shoe inserts, but that doesn't mean we didn't have any. If I were you, I would bring my inserts with me and use them til you're told otherwise. Good luck!

Your basic training would be at either Ft Jackson, SC; Ft Leonard Wood, MO; Ft Sill, OK; or Ft Knox, KY. Your Advanced Individual Training (AIT) for Light Wheel Vehicle Mechanic (63B) or Heavy Wheel Vehicle Mechanic (63S) would be at Ft Jackson. Read more here: http://jackson-www.army.mil/187th/Page9.htm The Machinist MOS (44E) AIT is located at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD. See here: http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/wmsd/index.html More information on these MOSs and others can be found at: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/arjobs/blarjobs.htm?once=true& Also, once you get there, go to the discussion boards and ask about the ASVABs. Rod Powers is very knowledgeable in that area. Good luck!

Sorry I somehow missed your post? I guess you've already been on the run. How did it go? Sometimes running in a motivating company run, one can run better and farther than when running alone..just my experience. You may have surprised yourself! Please see the advice I gave someone on the board about alternating long distance running over a variety of terrain with wind sprints. That's really the fastest way you can build up stamina and speed. As far as improving that much in a week..a lot has to do with motivation, not just ability. I can't say one way or the other..kind of hard to know what kind of shape you were in and how fast you ran the 1-1/2 mile before.

Keith,I'm a 34 year old female and just enlisted in the Army's delayed entry program (trying to finish up the PhD before I go). I must say I'm pretty intimidated by the fitness requirements since I have been relatively sedentary since high school. I am thankful that I have 6 months to work on it (and I'm already working my tail off!!), but have been really encouraged by the fact that I was able to talk to other people my age who weren't in even as good a shape as I am when they started, but who were able to work up to it and get through it. =) As for the ASVAB- there were about 35 people at MEPS when I was there, and there were only 3 of us with ASVAB scores above 80. We all got what we wanted, but a lot of others did not. Ask your recruiter if you can talk to someone who is in the MOS that you are wanting- they can give you the whole scoop. =) Tig

In my experience, I see about 2-5% of a BT class being 33-35..usually we see older recruits in the winter months rather than the summer where there are a lot of high school graduates and split option soldiers (juniors in HS). You may run across drill sergeants who will tease you a bit because of your age, be called "old man" and such, but it is not done maliciously. If you are in good shape, I do not see this as a problem..if you are in poor shape, you will suffer and have trouble keeping up (your body will not adjust as quickly as a younger person's body would). If you are very motivated and do what you are told, drill sergeants tend to give more responsibility to the older recruits (if you come across as being competent and fit). Younger recruits also tend to look up to you in this situation and it usually works to the recruit's advantage. As far as the ASVAB scores, I don't know much on this subject. You can either query a recruiter or you can ask on the discussion boards at About.com. Just go to the links section of this website and look it up. Rod Powers is very knowledgeable there on such matters. Good luck to you.

I'm not sure about regular army, but I would think it would be the same as the National Guard, because National Guard is a component of the regular army. To get in (I'm assuming by your name that you are female) you have to be able to do 3 push ups and 13 situps. The army physical fitness test depends on your age. If you are 17 to 21 you have to do 19 pushups and 53 situps in 2 minutes, and run 2 miles in 19 minutes. IF you are 22 to 26 you have to do 17 pushups and 50 situps, and run 2 miles in 19:36 minutes. If you are 27 to 31 you have to do 17 pushups, 40 situps and run 2 miles in 20:30 minutes. If your older than that, let me know and I'll post the other requirements...or if you're a guy they are different. Those are just the minimum requirements. Also, if you are considering Army, let me put in a plug for the ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. The Guard is one of the reserve components. You go to the same boot camp as the regular Army, but you are not full time active duty. You do drill training one weekend a month, and serve active for two weeks in the summer, and during National or State Emergencies. The Guard has more oppertunities for Women than the Regular Army, it allows you to go to school or hold a job while serving, and still pays good. I chose the Guard over regular Army because you get to do more at home stuff (taking care of America in America) not fighting every body elses battles for them. Women can't fight in combat zones, so you get to do more in the guard too. Think about it. 1-800-Go-Guard.com

Keith, There is an hour by hour schedule in the book (about a weeks time, snapshots throughout the training cycle), but generally, I can say that you will wake up at 4 am. Since you will sleep in your physical fitness uniform, little is needed before you show up in formation outside (unless you need to put on some layers for colder weather). The first half hour is used to get up and outside and getting accountability of everyone, etc. Then most days you will do physical training. You will alternate running days with strength training days with one day of rest on Sunday. After physical training, you will have time to shower, get dressed and clean up your barracks area, also get ready for the days activities (you may have to march to the company orderly room to get your rifle, or turn in your laundry, bedding..that kind of thing). Then it's off to the chow hall, again marching in formation. Then it's off to classes or a range, depending on what training is going on. The first few weeks, the classes are around the company area, so you will march there. After that, you will mostly take a cattle truck (an enclosed trailer w/windows that you all get piled into, standing up) to that day's particular range and stay out there all day til dinner (lunch will be brought out to you in insulated containers and you will eat on picnic tables or in a classroom on the range). When you get back to the barracks, you'll be tired, hungry, cold or hot (depending on the weather). You'll turn your weapons back in, usually right before dinner. After you eat, it's back to the barracks. Drill sergeants will use this time to individually counsel you, help those who need it with reinforcement training, etc. Most times you have an hour to yourself before lights out at 8 pm. In the first few weeks, this hour to yourself will be split up by the drill sergeants..ie shine your boots for 10 min, wax the floors for x minutes, write a letter home for x min...you get the idea. Then it starts all over again. Good luck to you!

I'm joinning the Army National Guaard and this coming summer im going to basic and i was wondering how can i get into shape before i go i play baseball and we run 2miles in 12min. but i dont fell like im in shape. and also i was wondering is there anywhere i can buy Army Basic Training BE Smart BE Ready the book in a local book store. THanks for your time and i hope to hear from anyoneTHanksWilliam Carpenter

William, Sounds great! It looks like you are on the right track, as you are already doing some kind of physical activity. The key is to start gradually. Also get used to wearing boots if you don't already wear them (toughen up your feet). The book has a very easy to follow fitness plan. You can also check some of the other messages on this board for more tips. Any local book retailer will be able to order the book for you thru their regular channels. Just give them the title and the author. If you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to answer them for you.

Looks like you will have plenty of time to get prepared. I would like to leave you with some words of wisdom from our battalion sergeant major. He said to survive and do well in BT, you have to do three things: Always be in the right uniform, be where you're supposed to be and do what you're told (immediately that is) and you can't go wrong. I would also suggest that once you arrive at BT, do not act like you "know it all" (even if you think you are prepared)...yes, you'll be more confident because you researched what it was like and are physically and mentally prepared, but the drill sergeants prefer those who know nothing and tend to come down hard on those with an attitude..don't develop one! My best advice is to use the knowledge you have gained but not to flaunt it and to try to blend in initially. Good luck to you.

Have you already explored the links from the armybasic website yet? As a new Army wife, you may want to read the free book online, Invisible Women (link is on the "Other Links" page). It is very biased (in a negative kind of way), but it still gives you some things to think about...money, housing, job opportunities for spouses, etc. YOu also may want to read the articles on basic training at About.com (follow the links). Good luck to you.

I don't want to rewrite the book here, there is a good beginner fitness plan in there. But I do want to tell you that you must start your fitness plan gradually. I had quite a few females who suffered from hairline fractures in their lower extremeties because they did too much in the few weeks before they arrived, coupled with the intensity of the first two weeks of BT (at least 4-6 females on crutches in Week 3). You need to combine a plan where you do lots of upper body strength training (where most females are lacking), as well as running (both endurance and sprinting, rotated every other day of the week, with one day of rest). I also suggest that you start wearing Army-type boots or sturdy hiking boots and get used to wearing them for long distances. I can't tell you how many soldiers we had with foot related problems because their feet were not tough enough before they arrived. Start getting ready now. I find a lot of females like aerobics, so if there are classes in your area, this would be a good start. Some recruiters also run PT sessions and I would definitely participate in those. The bottom line is that you need to start now...don't wait until right before you go..you will do more harm that way. Good luck and let me know if I can help some more. p.s. I bet that when you graduate BT, you WILL be able to run that 10 minute mile..believe me, we had tons of folks who were super slow but with determination and hard work, they did make it...don't give up on yourself before you even start BT!

Hmmm...that's a hard one for me! My simple simon title would be "Letters Home from Boot Camp" (very boring!). Some ideas you might want to think about: ToughNever QuitStay StrongNever let em see you crysisters in trainingtoughest challenge of your live Most women in BT feel that they have to prove everyone "wrong"..that "girls" are not "weak". Even though quite a few do break down and cry "in front of the boys", many strive to stay strong in front of the male drill sergeants and male recruits and not show their emotions in the process. I hope this gives you some food for thought. Good luck to you and I would love to be able to link to your site! Let me know when it's up! I know soon-to-be recruits love to read how others are handling the stresses of BT.

I settled on "Clearing the Smoke - Surviving Boot Camp", since "smoke" has a couple different meanings in BCT, aside from getting smoked everytime you turn around (hehe) there's also FTX (WOOHOO!). I've started the journal but it won't be until Feb 02 when I go in, if my husband doesn't get deployed that is. Here's the journal, my homepage is linked from it too (link below) Thanks for the suggestions though! Kero

I took the ASVAB this fall and reieved an overall score of 82, I find this score to be unacceptable and, not a real representaion of my skill levels nor a true indicator of genuine ability. I went into the test "blind" not realizing that I could study for it in the same fashion as one would for the ACT's and other standardized tests. I am also aware that this score is "good" for two years. I have run into a situation where I wish to have a more varied field of options as to prospective MOS's. This being said here is my question: Can you retake the ASVAB, in the same manner as the ACT's, in an attempt to increase my score and open different MOS options? If so, how should I go about this task (i.e. ask my recruiter)? Thanks alot for any imput you have on this subject

Yes you can retake the asvab 30 days after your first try. After the second time you'll have to wait 6 months before you can take it again. They will not take the "best" scoring test, only the most recent one. So if you score lower, tuogh, you'll either have to take that score or take it again in 6 months. Just ask your recruiter when you can take the test again. If they try to tell you that you can't, tell them you know better and demand to re-take the test. LearnATest.com has some excellent materials for preparing you for the ASVAB. I orginally scored an 89 with out any preperation, after using the practice test and the manual from LearnATest I scored a 99 and had just about every MOS open to me. Good luck! Kero P.S. Rod's US Military site IS great! Everyone there is very helpful.

The book is strictly about boot camp and does not go into AIT (Advanced Individual Training or OSUT (One Station Unit Training). If you are going to Benning, you will be in an OSUT unit where they will do BT first and then your MOS specific (Infantry) AIT. All BT posts must follow the same curriculum for BT, whether they are at Benning or somewhere else. Maybe someone will one day write about a book that will cover the various AITs?

Mike, I must say you are in much better shape than most of the recruits who show up for boot camp. The Army standard for all schools is an eight minute mile so you may want to increase your tempo a little during your five mile runs. Remember to taper prior to entering basic training or you will risk the potential of injuring yourself or peaking too early. Continue the upper body regimen you have and stress the endurance portion (ie. stressing the repetitions in a two minute interval versus multiple sets of a few repetitions). Focus on getting through basic training and then on your follow-on schools

For most "non combat" MOSs, you will do BT at one unit (at one of the three posts below) and then move on to whatever post has your AIT training. These posts have gender-integrated BT units: Ft Jackson, SCFt Leonard Wood, MOFt Sill, OK MOS specific basic training is located on the posts below, for the MOSs noted. This is called One Station Unit Training (OSUT) where BT and AIT are in the same unit: Ft Benning, GA (Infantry)Ft Knox, KY (Armor)Ft Leonard Wood, MO (Combat Engineers, MPs, Chem)Ft Sill, OK (Field Artillery) Ft Benning and Ft Knox are currently the only "male only" basic training posts. Hope this helps.

The Army (and military for that matter) is full of acronyms..without a reference, it is difficult for me to tell you what FTC means. Was it on your enlistment contract..or somewhere else? There is something called a Fitness Training Company or Unit (FTC or FTU). Most training posts have these as a holding area for sorely out of shape soldiers. You will take a short fitness test at the inprocessing center at your basic training post after you arrive and if you fail, you get sent to an FTC before you even get to basic training company. It's a miserable place, so it pays off to come to BT in good physical shape.

The Air Force has the shortest Basic Training time, they are only 6 weeks long. This does not mean that after 6 weeks you are through with training and can go back home. You still have tech school to go through (or AIT if you're Army) which can be up to two years long depending on the MOS you pick. If 3-5 weeks is all you can spare, forget about the service. Reserves spend as much time in basic training and Tech/AIT as their active counterparts do. But you can always apply for a scholarship and go through ROTC if you're still young enough. Kero



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Archived BoardHost Messages (Army Basic Training) Use the CTRL+F Function of your keyboard to enable a keyword search Electric Razors at BT? Posted by Memphis on 1/11/2002, 9:56 pm 150.201.17.194 Greetings, I was curious to know if the US Army allows recruits to have electric razors instead of the standard safety razors? I know that the USAF does allow this, but have never heard the Army's policy on it. Re: Electric Razors at BT? Posted by Raquel on 1/12/2002, 8:37 am , in reply to "Electric Razors at BT?" 204.119.243.32 Good question. I'd have to go and see what the official policy is on this one. I know that disposable razors are highly recommended. Some things to think about. When you are in training, you will have to have all your things locked in a wall locker, so no time to recharge it..even when you sleep at night, your personal belongings are supposed to be locked away. Most BT posts make you pack away everything electrical, ie blowdryers, walkmans, etc...Also, think about the limited space in the latrine and the time you have to get ready in the morning. You and your fellow men will be packed in that latrine like sardines, trying to brush teeth, shave, wash up, etc...very limited number of outlets too. Even if they do allow them (some posts may...I don't know), it can be a logistical nightmare trying to recharge the thing or accessing an outlet. I know that some men use electric razors because of skin problems or ingrown hairs, etc...but rest assured, if your skin has problems with disposables, you can always go on sick call and get a "no shaving" profile and get help in treating the condition. Sorry I couldn't give you a straight answer. If you're really attached to your razor, you can bring it and then if you can't use it, they'll just pack it away with your personal bag until basic is over. Underweight Posted by Kiersten on 1/10/2002, 4:14 pm 216.195.10.8 I'm leaving for Basic Training on January 24th. I'm 5'2" tall and weight 98 pounds. I need to seriously gain two pounds in two weeks and have been having a tough time doing so. I'm so desperate that I went out and bought weight gaining powder drink (500 calories per glass) in hopes that this will help. My question is what will happen when I go to MEPS before I ship out and I'm still underweight? Also, I know the the pounds will shed from all the physical activity at Basic, so will I be put on a special diet? Thanks! Re: Underweight Posted by Raquel on 1/10/2002, 4:54 pm , in reply to "Underweight" 204.119.245.146 Hmmm...I can tell you what they do at basic. I am not familiar with MEPS but I do know their standards and if I read them correctly, then you can keep going back at prescribed time periods until you do meet the requirements. Click on the link below and go down a few paragraphs to read about being underweight. As far as when you arrive at your BT post, your drill sergeants will "encourage" you to eat more...double portions, and they will steer you to the high fat content foods probably. BT takes a lot of energy and you especially can't afford to lose what ya got! How to gain two pounds in two weeks....I've heard some have success with those drinks...high fat foods, lots of starch, drink lots of water...there are many websites out there, just do a search for "underweight" at www.google.com and dig thru them. Link: Military Enlistment Standards - Medical Screening (part 5), About.com Re: Underweight Posted by Kataratos on 1/11/2002, 12:41 pm , in reply to "Re: Underweight" 207.235.132.66 My mom is a nurse; she says that if you can drink enough water the day before, it will hypohydrate you and can gain you 1/2 to 1 pound temporarily. That might help with meps. Also, I've heard eat a lot of eggs and bannas. Will I be able to wear contacts? Posted by J.P. on 1/10/2002, 1:25 pm 204.119.242.204 Is there any way I can get away with wearing contacts? I am so used to wearing them, and I can't every imagine wearing glasses again! Re: Will I be able to wear contacts? Posted by Raquel on 1/10/2002, 1:43 pm , in reply to "Will I be able to wear contacts?" 204.119.242.204 Unfortunately, no you will not be able to. Once you arrive at the reception station, you will be fitted for your first pair of Army glasses. Yes, they look absolutely horrid, but they are pretty indestructible. You will not be allowed to wear your contacts because of the risks of getting foreign objects and dirt into them during the rigorous training. Believe me, it would be the most memorable experience of your life if you went into the gas chamber with contacts in! Once you get to your assigned unit and are out of training (basic and AIT), you will be authorized to wear your contacts and your civilian glasses, among other things. Prescriptions Posted by Gorian on 1/7/2002, 12:55 am 168.191.217.78 Your book (great by the way) says I cannot bring prescriptions that are not prescribed by an army physician. I currently have to take a nasal decongestant due to sinus problems which make it tough for me to breathe through my nose well...will the army docs prescribe the same medicine for me? Re: Prescriptions Posted by Raquel on 1/7/2002, 6:43 am , in reply to "Prescriptions" 204.119.245.135 Either at reception or at your BT unit they will send you to the medical clinic to get examined by a doctor (do let someone know you are taking them...they'll probably see it at shakedown anyway..try to get it taken care of at reception so it doesn't cut into your training time). I know that they do issue prescription medications for colds, sinus infections, etc..(ie if you need something cause you are sick). The key here, is that they do not allow you to take any medications that were prescribed to you BEFORE you got to BT. Am I working out correctly? Posted by Gorian on 1/7/2002, 12:54 am 168.191.217.78 I'm worried if I'm working out right. 4 times a week I work out for 30 minutes on the exercise bike with my heart rate at 150 beats a minute (recommended for my age, which is 32). I can do this okay, but when I start running on a track I get winded after half a lap and have to walk a little after finishing one lap. Currently my 1-mile run time is 11 minutes because I have to walk a few times, and I get that painful "stitch" in my side too. I'm wondering if working out on the bike simply does nothing for getting my heart in better shape, since it seems that is the reason I get winded so quickly running. Also, I have to breathe through my mouth when I run, since my nasal passages are unusually small and I cannot get a good full breath through my nose. Re: Am I working out correctly? Posted by Raquel on 1/7/2002, 6:38 am , in reply to "Am I working out correctly?" 204.119.245.135 Running is just something you have to get used to. You typically don't get side stitches while biking, because there is not alot of up and down motion. Side stitches are caused by the tugging of your liver on your diaphragm, coupled with the heavy breathing. I can't tell you exactly what caused your stitch, but I can say, make sure you don't drink a lot right before running (or eat)..especially caffeinated drinks. Also, stretch out your abdominal muscles before you run. If you get one while running, the key is to change your rate and breathing pattern. If you have a right side stitch, then exhale when your LEFT foot touches the ground. Some suggest also pushing up and in on your right side where the stitch is (your liver) and exhaling at the same time. Drill sergeants will have your hold your hands over your head to stretch the area. Left side stitches are a little harder to get rid of..you can try the opposite above, or just change your rate of breathing by running slower, walking fast, breathing two breaths for every one, breathing deeper, etc... When running, you should not be breathing in and out through your nose...just breathe naturally..breathe in and out through both! Here is a good article on breathing: http://newrunner.com/home/0,1300,2-60-63-245,00.html Re: Am I working out correctly? Posted by Donna D on 1/12/2002, 10:28 pm , in reply to "Re: Am I working out correctly?" 68.45.186.94 Thanks!! This was very helpful. I just started training for bootcamp in the near future. I have been doing alot of running and was questionable about the breathing. Althought I have been running at a great pace I just wanted to make sure I am doing it correctly. Question about BT for my MOS Posted by Joe on 1/6/2002, 9:51 pm 24.247.36.142 Im going into Counter-Intelligence and so is my friend via the "buddy system" I was wondering if anyone would know where we will be sent? I have to take my physical in a week but im not worried about passing that. Re: Question about BT for my MOS Posted by Raquel on 1/7/2002, 6:02 am , in reply to "Question about BT for my MOS" 204.119.245.183 I assume that you are speaking of MOS 97B? All intelligence MOSs are trained at Ft Huachuca, AZ. Here is the link for Ft. Huachuca and the description of your course: http://huachuca-usaic.army.mil/SCHOOL/111MI/309th/97B/97B_Crs_Desc.htm Here is the link for your MOS: http://usaic.hua.army.mil/ocmi/career_maps/97b/97B.pdf If the links don't work by clicking on them, cut and paste them into your browser window. p.s. Just try to relax about the physical. Your day at MEPS will be a long one, so bring a book to keep you entertained. What about AIT? Posted by Kataratos on 1/6/2002, 2:30 pm 205.188.193.182 I'm supposed to do my Basic Training and my Advance Individual Training back to back, like I won't be home between them. Are there things I'll need to take to AIT other than what is on the BT list? Where do I find a packing list for AIT? If I do need stuff for AIT that isn't on the list for BT what will I do with my stuff while I'm at Basic? Re: What about AIT? Posted by Raquel on 1/7/2002, 5:55 am , in reply to "What about AIT?" 204.119.245.183 Don't worry about AIT. When you graduate BT, sometime in the few hours after the graduation ceremony, your AIT unit will send a rep over to pick up a group of you that will go over to AIT (there will definitely be more than just you). You'll already be prepacked with all your civilian bags you brought to BT with you, as well as your Army initial issue items. Traditionally, the AIT unit will give you the weekend off..not always, but mostly they do. Once things start rolling again, you will get additional issue items that you may need for AIT, plus be given the opportunity to buy anything else you need. Re: What about AIT? Posted by Kataratos on 1/7/2002, 1:41 pm , in reply to "Re: What about AIT?" 205.188.193.171 I live in Texas. I'm doing Basic Training in SC, and AIT in Georgia. My BCT is suposed to end 3 days before I start AIT. Where do I find a packing list for AIT? Is it the same as BCT? I really don't want to have to try and buy stuff in a strange state, with no warning... Re: What about AIT? Posted by Raquel on 1/7/2002, 7:52 pm , in reply to "Re: What about AIT?" 204.119.245.170 I am assuming that you are going to Ft Gordon, GA (Home of Signal) and that your MOS is of the 31 Series? Do not worry so much. You will not be the only going from your BT to Ft Gordon. You will have most everything you need beforehand. When you all arrive at Ft Gordon, you will be issued the stuff you need for AIT. They will then march you to their PX/mini-PX (however they do it there) with a list of things to buy. In Basic Training, you receive an advance pay to pay for these purchases..you may even get the same thing at AIT. What in particular are you thinking about buying? If you want to check out some pages at Ft Gordon, follow the links below: http://www.gordon.army.mil/stt/index.htm 15th Signal Brigade where you will be assigned:http://www.gordon.army.mil/sigbde15/ Don't worry..you won't be "let loose" in an unknown situation. As your training progresses, you will earn passes and time off. You are still under control of drill sergeants..not as stressful and hectic as BT, but still not "free". Watches... Posted by Chris on 1/3/2002, 11:39 pm 65.67.133.77 Can we bring a watch to basic? If so what type do you recommend? Also, can we use Locks with a key? Where is the key kept? Do we need to bring everything that is on the list for our respective BCT base? Ft. Jackson lists what to bring on their website, but the about.com website has a more general list. Raquel, I Love your site and your book by the way!!!I'm going to Ft. Jackson in March. I ship March 19 Re: Watches... Posted by Raquel on 1/4/2002, 10:14 am , in reply to "Watches..." 204.119.242.133 Yes, I suggest to bring a watch..preferably one of those sports watches that is waterproof and with the ability to light up. You will definitely need it! As for the packing list..you will find variations at all the posts. You'll do okay if you bring the general list really...you'll have the opportunity at the reception station to buy toiletry items and that kind of thing. I suggest that if you are going to Ft Jackson, bring what they have on their website. As far as the lock, I tell folks to buy one with two keys before they leave home, so they can lock it up right away at the reception station. You'll be given the opportunity again to buy one there..but again, maybe not right away. You keep one while your platoon drill sergeant has the other locked away (in case you lose yours). I'm glad you enjoyed the book..I hope you feel more confident now! Whatever you do though, don't be a "know it all" when you get to Ft Jackson. As soon as the drill sergeants know that you know more than the "average joe" you may be given a hard time (ie leave the book at home!). Just use your knowledge wisely! Re: Watches... Posted by Kataratos on 1/4/2002, 11:10 am , in reply to "Re: Watches..." 152.163.213.58 Hey Chris, I'm schedualed to go to FT Jackson in June, but I'm trying to get an earlier ship date (like mid to end of March) might see you there. On the packing list, I don't know much except what I've been told, but several people in my Guard unit have told me to take basic toiletries, paper, locks, socks, and civies, because they make you buy stuff when you get there. Prior Service Posted by Brian on 1/2/2002, 2:01 pm 207.225.133.18 I was an E6 in the Army. I got out in 93'. I am considering re-enlisting. Any thoughts? Re: Prior Service Posted by Raquel on 1/3/2002, 8:33 pm , in reply to "Prior Service" 204.119.245.205 Quite a few folks re-enlist..for various reasons. I would highly suggest going to the Army Discussion Board at www.military.com . There are A LOT of guys there who had a break in service...the topic comes up quite a bit. I guess it all depends on why you are going back in and to make sure it is not a rash decision. I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I know quite a few soldiers who thought they were too immature the first time around or they found out they hated civilian life..whatever the reason..take some time to think about it and talk to others who have done the same to get a different perspective. Good luck to you! Waking up early at Basic Posted by Gorian, redux on 1/1/2002, 8:24 am 168.191.217.18 Will I be in a world of s**t if I wake up 15 minutes early in Basic to get a head start on things like shaving & stuff? It seems like a good idea, but I certainly don't need the DIs ripping my stinking, cowardly body apart limb from limb if I try to do it! Re: Waking up early at Basic Posted by Raquel on 1/3/2002, 8:00 pm , in reply to "Waking up early at Basic" 204.119.245.205 Sorry I'm responding a few days late...I was on the road. It sure seems like it would make sense to get up a few minutes early doesn't it! Believe me, you will be dead tired in the morning and will need every minute of sleep you can get! You will learn quickly to have everything organized before you go to bed at night. I know some guys can get away with shaving the night before..if your hair tends to grow like weeds overnight, the drill sergeants will spot this right away and get on your case! You know your face better than I do! You will be sleeping in your PT gear, so really you won't have too much to do in the morning before PT...some folks don't even brush their teeth until after PT (I know, sounds terrible..but I've know some of my troops did do this..I wouldn't suggest it though). You'll have enough time to tinkle and do your thing in the bathroom and then put your shoes on and out you go (unless it's winter, then you'll put on layers underneath). Grey spandex is also highly recommended (they will have it for you to buy here with your first paycheck..don't buy it beforehand)..you will wear this under your PT shorts (they have a "panty" insert which is pretty inadequate..you'll have to see which post you go to and which company..everyone does things differently). The only thing I want to recommend..don't sleep in the spandex..a warm moist environment is too friendly a place for bacteria to grow..you get the idea. Anyway, I am off on a tangent! No one will ding you if you get up a few minutes early...but your bunkmates may get on you if they hear a watch alarm earlier than they have to get up, and like I said, you just may be too tired...sometimes wake up is as early as 4am! Running/arch supports Posted by Gorian on 1/1/2002, 8:21 am 168.191.217.18 Exactly how much running should I expect to do in Basic? Is it only on the alternating-day PT sessions, or are there lots of runs during the day too? How long is the average run in the first few weeks? Also, I seem to be getting conflicting information on the about.com message board regarding arch supports. Some say I can bring them, some say forget it, and others say the Army will issue me some! As I have flat feet, 1-2 pairs of arch supports will be crucial for me. Re: Running/arch supports Posted by Raquel on 1/1/2002, 12:37 pm , in reply to "Running/arch supports" 24.2.3.34 Running..you will be running in some form everyday..even in boots for short distances (ie running back and forth into the barracks and such...no walking back and forth between formations and wherever you have to go). As far as structured running...you will have PT six days out of the week (with few exceptions). These will alternate with pushup/situp development (mostly in a grassy field or sawdust pit..you may run to your pit depending on how far away you are..most PT areas are near the barracks..time is at a premium at BT!)....and running improvement which will be done in ability groups. As far as arch supports...I don't remember too many soldiers having them. If I were you, I'd have them in my shoes (boots and tennis shoes). In BT, if you don't complain about something, I doubt anyone will bother you about them. I think if you are having pain and go to the healthcare facility (and the arch supports are not helping)...this is where you may be faced with problems. I don't think they issue arch supports, but I may be mistaken on this...things change all the time! Something I just read... Posted by Gorian on 1/2/2002, 8:50 am , in reply to "Re: Running/arch supports" 168.191.218.123 I read on another website that most of the runs in Basic are 3-5 miles. Is this true? If it is, are these more toward the end of Basic when you are in better shape? Re: Something I just read... Posted by Raquel on 1/3/2002, 8:29 pm , in reply to "Something I just read..." 204.119.245.205 It all depends on which ability group you are in. Naturally, the faster runners will run farther than the slower groups of runners ..they are the ones averaging five miles or so (later in the cycle). If you are going to Benning or another all male post..you will be pushed farther and harder than let's say at a mixed gender post. If you start out in the slow group, you will be lucky to run around the block a few times. You only have an hour to do PT usually. So you get in formation, take a head count (make sure everyone is there), stretch and then start PT (the actual running or pushup/situp improvement)..leaving maybe five minutes for cool down. That doesn't leave a lot of time for running long distances..especially for the slow groups. Getting Prepared to Run Posted by AnArmyofOne on 1/1/2002, 1:29 am 64.12.103.172 I want to know whats the best way to help the heart build stamina for running greater distances.. I leave for basic Jan 22.... I can run a long time if u push myself but then i have to stop and walk a few steps and start again to catch my breath....Is there any tips or advice that i can get to help me in running longer distances for basic/ Re: Getting Prepared to Run Posted by Raquel on 1/1/2002, 12:25 pm , in reply to "Getting Prepared to Run" 24.2.3.34 Not a lot of time before end of Jan. The key is to do speed work one day and then long distance stamina-type running the next. Don't overdo the running in the weeks before BT as you don't want to overstress your bones right before you get there also. I suggest running 3-4x a week (the other days you can run just to warm up while you work on your pushups and situps). One day will be long distance running over a variety of terrain at a slow pace. The other day will focus on wind sprints (best done on a track or other flat surface so you can measure the distances you must sprint/jog). These days are alternated throughout the week. If you have no idea what wind sprints are, you should be able to do a general search on www.google.com that will tell you how to do them (also called indian running). Running on concrete? Posted by Hommina on 12/30/2001, 9:55 am 168.191.217.111 Is most of the running done on concrete in basic? I seem to be able to run faster and farther on a treadmill than on the concrete track at the local high school. Re: Running on concrete? Posted by Raquel on 12/31/2001, 3:01 pm , in reply to "Running on concrete?" 24.2.3.34 A variety..you will run some on a rubberized track, asphalt paths and streets..even on gravel if your barracks happen to be near "tank trails" in the local training areas. Rarely will you run on sidewalks, as you will do almost all your running in formation..no room! Sargeant vs. sir Posted by Kataratos on 12/28/2001, 2:27 pm 152.163.213.46 Unfortunately I was raised to call anyone older than me sir or mam. Someone told me that this will get me in trouble in boot camp, because you are only supposed to call officers sir and anyone below that by their rank. If I slip and call one of the drill sergeants sir instead of sergeant is this going to get me in a lot of trouble? Sorry so many questions. Re: Sargeant vs. sir Posted by Raquel on 12/29/2001, 9:46 am , in reply to "Sargeant vs. sir" 24.2.3.34 Well, of course they will correct you...correct you in such a way that you probably won't make the same mistake twice:-)) It's just something you will get used to and quickly! Super Bowl at Basic Posted by Thumper on 12/27/2001, 1:54 pm 168.191.217.23 I leave for Ft. Leonard Wood on January 24th...I was wondering if we will get a chance to watch the Super Bowl during Basic? That sounds trivial, I know. Re: Super Bowl at Basic Posted by Raquel on 12/28/2001, 10:03 am , in reply to "Super Bowl at Basic" 24.4.252.160 Unfortunately, no. You may at one time or another be advised of the score, but that's about it. You will have no access to radio or TV there. It's always possible you may here a radio in a drill sergeant's office in passing, but that's about it. Sorry about that! Notebook and boots Posted by Wesson on 12/27/2001, 1:51 pm 168.191.217.23 Dumb question: am I allowed to keep a notebook as a journal in Basic? I have one with some "motivational" phrases written in it that I occasionally look at to keep me focused...is the DI going to rip it out of my hands and read it to the entire company like it was a forbidden 2nd-grade love letter? Regarding boots: are you allowed to bring anything to help polish the boots, or are you stuck with whatever the PX sells? Re: Notebook and boots Posted by Raquel on 12/28/2001, 10:09 am , in reply to "Notebook and boots" 24.4.252.160 You will be encouraged to buy a notebook if you do not already have one to take notes in for class. Do not buy a large 8-1/2x11, but one that will fit in your cargo pocket of your pants. Maybe you could have two, one for notes and one for your journal. You'll probably do most of your "journal writing" in your off-time (ie when not actively engaged in a class). I've known people to doodle in class who of course have had their stuff taken away during class. If you decide to write during class, be sure that it looks like you are taking notes:-)) Jumping Rope In Place of Running Posted by Kataratos on 12/25/2001, 6:32 pm 152.163.213.47 I'm trying to get into shape for basic (I think most of us are) and I'm trying to work on my running. It is often dark when I leave in the morning and dark or almost dark when I get home at night, and the neighborhood I live in is not a good one to be out in after dark, so it is difficult for me to find a time to run. Someone told me that if you jump rope (like really fast) it will improve your stamina for running, and is actually better because it gives you a full body work out, not just legs and lungs. What do you think? Also, I know what the minimums for the PT test are on push ups and sit ups, but I doubt they will have us just doing the minimums. What is the average that I'll have to do at one time? (Oh, and on the two mile run I had to do with my unit, I made it about a mile, walked half a mile, and had a second lieutenant make me run the last half (she was really nice about it, too.)) Re: Jumping Rope In Place of Running Posted by Raquel on 12/25/2001, 9:08 pm , in reply to "Jumping Rope In Place of Running" Board Administrator Regarding the jumping rope, yes it does give a more "full body" workout than pure running because you do a lot with your arms and shoulders also. It is also great in that it does give you a harder workout in a shorter amount of time than running. Those are the good points. The bad points..I would not recommend it for a beginner..jumping rope for an extended period time will get your heart rate up there..but you can't sustain the rope jumping for too long (as a beginner). I would also worry the stress that your shins and lower extremeties would be taking with jumping rope. There are activities that you can do indoors. I've known quite a few people who can reach their target heart rate and keep it going for 20-25 min doing aerobics to a video! I don't know if you are familiar with what your resting heart rate is vs. what your target heartrate needs to be. If you want to read more about how to calculate it, here's a good website: http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heart.htm As far as the standards for the PT test, yes if you reach the minimums, you pass. Although of course the drill sergeants do encourage you to strive for better than that. When you have your PT sessions, you will of course "go for the burn" and do so many repetitions until you won't be able to lift your arms over your heard or laugh too hard...that's how much your muscles will be broken down after a good PT session. The good part is that your muscles will be getting stronger by doing this. See what motivation can do (ie the 2nd LT)? Getting smoked Posted by Clancy on 12/22/2001, 8:08 am 168.191.217.2 What happens if a DI says "drop and give me forty" but your arms feel like they will fall off after 20 or 25? I am trying to build up, but I doubt I'll ever be able to do 40 at one time! Do you get extra punishment if you can't do it? Re: Getting smoked Posted by Raquel on 12/22/2001, 2:06 pm , in reply to "Getting smoked" 204.119.243.18 They try to be somewhat realistic. They'll say, "drop and give me 10" or something like that...at least in the beginning..they take in your ability to an extent also. As you begin to struggle with the last repetitions, they will probably bend down in your face and the spittle will start to fly. Of course they will try to motivate you to go beyond what you feel you can do...lots of "mental" pushing going on. When they see that you can't do any more, they will tell you to get up and get away from them in such a tone that'll make you feel pretty low (they're pretty good at that)..again, motivation to not screw up the next time (if you got pushups as punishment). Remember, you can't "wear your heart on your sleeve here", so to speak. The DSs can't touch you physically (unless for safety concerns or correcting something..ie correcting the position of your hand while you are learning to do the salute...that kind of thing). They can't abuse you mentally either (constantly demeaning you for no reason at all)..but they can use their voice to motivate you. Remember not to take it personally...it's not that they don't like you and want to be mean to you..they are trying to motivate you to go above and beyond what you think your ability is..and sometimes, it really does surprise a recruit when they go beyond. Dropping out of a run Posted by Geoff on 12/21/2001, 1:57 pm 168.191.217.95 I can run a mile in 9 minutes, but in reality I can't actually run the entire way...I have to walk a little once or twice, but I take big strides. Do the DI's get in your face and scream at you if you dare break into a walk? Or do they only scream at you if you quit and don't even try to walk? Re: Dropping out of a run Posted by Raquel on 12/21/2001, 4:58 pm , in reply to "Dropping out of a run" 204.119.245.133 Geoff, I think it's great that you are already starting to get in some kind of shape before you get to BT. A nine minute mile runtime is a fairly slow to medium time (for males). You may start out running with the slow group. Typically, there are three to four groups in each company. After you take the first PT test, you will be split up into your running groups according to your times. You will then stick with this group until the next PT test. The slow group is always the largest and always spends the longest time "out there" running. This in itself is an incentive not to be in that group, as you will have the least amount of time of anyone to shower, get dressed and get your area "squared away" before chow. You will run in these groups about every other day and concentrate on building up your stamina. When people do start to fall out, the drill sergeants do go after them. Yes, you will get yelled at and they will be "in your face", and they will try to motivate you to catch up. Yes, if they see you are really trying they might not be as hard on you as let's say a person who all out quits and gives up. If you fall too far behind, the drill sergeants at the front of the formation will turn the formation around and run back to pick up the stragglers. This usually has the added effect of peer pressure...the recruits who do keep up get a bit perturbed when they have to turn around to come get you...I think you get the idea. I don't know how long you have to prepare before BT, but you are doing the right thing by getting ready ahead of time. Good luck to you! Re: Dropping out of a run Posted by Raquel on 12/22/2001, 2:13 pm , in reply to "Re: Dropping out of a run" 204.119.243.18 Oh yes, definitely. Even if you're a speed walker, running is the only way to go. Don't worry that you are alternating running with walking now. As long as you keep your heart rate up at a specific rate (there are plenty of books on the subject..check your local library) and start running again when you catch your breath, you are still bettering yourself physically. While you train, the key is to alternate slow, long run days over a variety of terrain (hills, etc) with shorter run days that incorporate sprints. On these sprint days,you can use a track or some other fairly flat surface (a less travelled road with let's say telephone poles spaced apart at regular intervals). After warming up (and of course stretching before that), jog from one pole to the next (or every 2 poles)...then sprint the next 2 poles as fast as you can, then jog the next set, etc. Then have one day of rest a week with no running. This is the fastest way to increase your runtime and your stamina Glasses at Basic Posted by Sarah on 12/21/2001, 12:53 pm 207.75.182.106 I've just got your book and noticed in the FAQs that you mention thatI won't be able to wear my contacts, which is very unfortunate. I couldn'tget straight however, whether I'd be able to wear my own glasses or whether I'd have to stick with the Army issue ones. Which is it? (Not thatI enjoy wearing my glasses at all!) Will I be able to wear my contacts forgraduation?Thanks for the wonderfully informative book!-Sarah Re: Glasses at Basic Posted by Raquel on 12/21/2001, 4:46 pm , in reply to "Glasses at Basic" 204.119.245.133 Sorry for the confusion! Let me clarify. When you first arrive at the reception station at your basic training post, you will have an eye test and get a prescription for glasses. You'll wear your civilian glasses until you get the military ones. It usually takes a day or two to get these while at the reception station. Yes, these glasses look horrible (big brown ugly rims), but they are sturdy and will hold up pretty well during your training. You will then be required to wear these throughout BT, including any off time you may have. Do hang on to your civilian glasses and keep them in your wall locker, just in case your issue ones break (I believe you'll get two pair). Some basic training companies will allow you to wear your contacts for graduation, some will not. Policies will be different at your AIT post..you'll have to wait and see. Good luck to you! will I starve at basic? Posted by Tig on 12/20/2001, 9:07 pm 65.27.78.62 LOL. But seriously, I've been a vegetarian for about 20 years now and I get ill at the taste of meat. My recruiter assured me that they'll have vegetarian food, but I don't expect the army caters to that much in basic. I'm wondering what is the reality of what to expect? Tig Re: will I starve at basic? Posted by Raquel on 12/20/2001, 10:46 pm , in reply to "will I starve at basic?" 208.24.225.98 Well, you're right...if you're used to good vegetarian meals (ie main course dishes), you won't get that in the Army! But, the Army does make an effort with what's available. There will always be plenty of starches in the "hot" food category..you'll see lots of potatoes here!..Canned veggies are mostly bland with lots of butter, although you may see some freshly cooked veggies. When you're not the last company through the chow hall, you will always find the salad bar fully stocked. There you will find most of the things your average salad bar has. Drink-wise..your first glass will always have to be water. Otherwise, you can count on strong Koolaid..some posts have a Gatorade-type drink now also. In the morning you will find juice and also milk. As far as fish (if your diet also includes it), you rarely see any fresh..you may see some frozen varieties, heavily breaded..but that's about it. In the mornings, you'll have eggs, potatoes/hash browns, a few types of cold cereals, fresh fruit (that's at all meals too), oatmeal, grits, pancakes..that kind of thing..a very heavy breakfast, although the bfast bar, in addition to the cold cereals, you will find yogurt and fruits there also. Now if you can just wolf everything down in about 10 min, you'll be set:-)) Good luck! Re: will I starve at basic? Posted by Tig on 12/21/2001, 8:08 am , in reply to "Re: will I starve at basic?" 216.60.240.172 Thanks, sounds like I'll be more in danger of gaining weight... Tig Flat feet Posted by Fubar on 12/20/2001, 6:30 am 168.191.219.246 Does the doc at boot camp issue you with arch supports if you have flat feet? One recruiter told me that they did, but another told me they would not even let you into the military with flat feet. They didn't catch my flat feet at MEPS, but I do use arch supports as they do help quite a bit. I am just wondering how much it may effect my boot camp experience. Re: Flat feet Posted by Raquel on 12/20/2001, 10:16 am , in reply to "Flat feet" 208.24.225.88 Flat feet in general will not disqualify you (I had quite a few trainees with flat feet). They have to be fairly severe. Here is the Army's description of what is considered severe: "pronounced cases, with decided eversion of the foot and marked bulging of the inner border, due to rotation of the talus, regardless of the presence or absence of symptoms" Even if you do have pronounced flat feet, you can always try to get a waiver if you really want to join (but I see in your case, MEPS did not even catch that you had flat feet..I think this is typical; they don't catch everything). The bottom line...if you have ANY medical condition and it interferes with your training (you can't do PT or march, etc..) then you will be sent home from basic training on an EPTS (Existing Prior to Service) Medical Discharge. Are you able to march/run long distances (either with or without inserts)? In my experience (at the company level), I don't ever remember any trainees with shoe inserts, but that doesn't mean we didn't have any. If I were you, I would bring my inserts with me and use them til you're told otherwise. Good luck! Re: Flat feet Posted by Fubar on 12/21/2001, 8:07 am , in reply to "Re: Flat feet" 168.191.218.81 I don't really have any trouble with my feet on marches or running, as long as I wear my inserts. Without them, then my feet do eventually bother me. My only problem running right now is my cardiovascular shape, which I'm trying to improve. Believe me, the arch supports do help quite a bit. I hope they don't give me any grief over them asvab Posted by jason on 12/6/2001, 5:17 pm 152.163.201.192 waht do your asvab scores have to be for a light and heavy wheel vehicle mechanic machinist and where would basic training be? Re: asvab Posted by Raquel on 12/7/2001, 10:15 am , in reply to "asvab" 208.24.225.112 Your basic training would be at either Ft Jackson, SC; Ft Leonard Wood, MO; Ft Sill, OK; or Ft Knox, KY. Your Advanced Individual Training (AIT) for Light Wheel Vehicle Mechanic (63B) or Heavy Wheel Vehicle Mechanic (63S) would be at Ft Jackson. Read more here: http://jackson-www.army.mil/187th/Page9.htm The Machinist MOS (44E) AIT is located at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD. See here: http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/wmsd/index.html More information on these MOSs and others can be found at: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/arjobs/blarjobs.htm?once=true& Also, once you get there, go to the discussion boards and ask about the ASVABs. Rod Powers is very knowledgeable in that area. Good luck! Running Posted by Kataratos on 12/4/2001, 7:13 pm 152.163.213.66 I go this sat. for my first drill in the National Guard. We are supposed to do a two mile company run. I can't run two miles. I can run about a mile, maybe a mile and a half if I really really push myself. Is there any way I can work up to two miles in less than a week? Re: Running Posted by Raquel on 12/22/2001, 2:21 pm , in reply to "Running" 204.119.243.18 Sorry I somehow missed your post? I guess you've already been on the run. How did it go? Sometimes running in a motivating company run, one can run better and farther than when running alone..just my experience. You may have surprised yourself! Please see the advice I gave someone on the board about alternating long distance running over a variety of terrain with wind sprints. That's really the fastest way you can build up stamina and speed. As far as improving that much in a week..a lot has to do with motivation, not just ability. I can't say one way or the other..kind of hard to know what kind of shape you were in and how fast you ran the 1-1/2 mile before. enlisting at 35 Posted by Keith on 12/1/2001, 9:36 pm 24.189.1.213 I am presently 35 and considering entering the national guard. How many people atempt this at my age? I am physicaly fit and feel up to the challange but Im concerned about being singled out because of my age. Also I scored an 86 on the asvab what type of jobs will that open up? Re: enlisting at 35 Posted by Tig on 12/20/2001, 3:05 pm , in reply to "enlisting at 35" 216.60.240.172 Keith,I'm a 34 year old female and just enlisted in the Army's delayed entry program (trying to finish up the PhD before I go). I must say I'm pretty intimidated by the fitness requirements since I have been relatively sedentary since high school. I am thankful that I have 6 months to work on it (and I'm already working my tail off!!), but have been really encouraged by the fact that I was able to talk to other people my age who weren't in even as good a shape as I am when they started, but who were able to work up to it and get through it. =) As for the ASVAB- there were about 35 people at MEPS when I was there, and there were only 3 of us with ASVAB scores above 80. We all got what we wanted, but a lot of others did not. Ask your recruiter if you can talk to someone who is in the MOS that you are wanting- they can give you the whole scoop. =) Tig Re: enlisting at 35 Posted by Raquel on 12/2/2001, 8:24 am , in reply to "enlisting at 35" 208.24.225.74 In my experience, I see about 2-5% of a BT class being 33-35..usually we see older recruits in the winter months rather than the summer where there are a lot of high school graduates and split option soldiers (juniors in HS). You may run across drill sergeants who will tease you a bit because of your age, be called "old man" and such, but it is not done maliciously. If you are in good shape, I do not see this as a problem..if you are in poor shape, you will suffer and have trouble keeping up (your body will not adjust as quickly as a younger person's body would). If you are very motivated and do what you are told, drill sergeants tend to give more responsibility to the older recruits (if you come across as being competent and fit). Younger recruits also tend to look up to you in this situation and it usually works to the recruit's advantage. As far as the ASVAB scores, I don't know much on this subject. You can either query a recruiter or you can ask on the discussion boards at About.com. Just go to the links section of this website and look it up. Rod Powers is very knowledgeable there on such matters. Good luck to you. Physical Requirements Posted by Nicole on 11/28/2001, 1:30 am 205.188.193.186 I am interested in joining the army but I would like to know what physical requirments there are. As in how many push ups, sit ups, ect... Any information would be helpful. Re: Physical Requirements Posted by Kataratos on 11/28/2001, 2:42 pm , in reply to "Physical Requirements" 152.163.213.83 I'm not sure about regular army, but I would think it would be the same as the National Guard, because National Guard is a component of the regular army. To get in (I'm assuming by your name that you are female) you have to be able to do 3 push ups and 13 situps. The army physical fitness test depends on your age. If you are 17 to 21 you have to do 19 pushups and 53 situps in 2 minutes, and run 2 miles in 19 minutes. IF you are 22 to 26 you have to do 17 pushups and 50 situps, and run 2 miles in 19:36 minutes. If you are 27 to 31 you have to do 17 pushups, 40 situps and run 2 miles in 20:30 minutes. If your older than that, let me know and I'll post the other requirements...or if you're a guy they are different. Those are just the minimum requirements. Also, if you are considering Army, let me put in a plug for the ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. The Guard is one of the reserve components. You go to the same boot camp as the regular Army, but you are not full time active duty. You do drill training one weekend a month, and serve active for two weeks in the summer, and during National or State Emergencies. The Guard has more oppertunities for Women than the Regular Army, it allows you to go to school or hold a job while serving, and still pays good. I chose the Guard over regular Army because you get to do more at home stuff (taking care of America in America) not fighting every body elses battles for them. Women can't fight in combat zones, so you get to do more in the guard too. Think about it. 1-800-Go-Guard.com Re: Physical Requirements Posted by Nick on 12/5/2001, 3:39 am , in reply to "Re: Physical Requirements" 152.163.194.202 and what would the requirements for a guy be? age group 17-21, regular Army Re: Physical Requirements Posted by Raquel on 12/5/2001, 8:18 am , in reply to "Re: Physical Requirements" 208.24.225.115 The requirements when you graduate BT will be: 17-21 yr old males Minimum standards Pushups 35Situps 472-Mile Run 16:36 Re: Physical Requirements Posted by Andrew on 12/16/2001, 2:56 am , in reply to "Re: Physical Requirements" 66.108.63.78 Do you mean everything in 16:36 or just the run? Please clarify. Thanks Re: Physical Requirements Posted by Raquel on 12/16/2001, 8:59 am , in reply to "Re: Physical Requirements" 208.24.225.128 Goodness no! Just the run from start to finish! Leaving for Basic Jan. 8th 2002 Posted by Rhonda on 11/27/2001, 10:25 am 205.188.199.156 Hey everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone here would b leaving around the same time. I'm going to Fort Leonard Wood, MO. 54 Bravo (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical warfare) My email address is texgirl21781@aol.com if anyone is going there, I'd love to already know someone there! What is a day in Army Boot Camp like? Posted by Keith Felton on 11/23/2001, 6:19 pm 216.120.139.116 What is a general daily schedule of a day in Army Boot Camp? The time you get up, eat, exercises, or an hour by hour schedule? Re: What is a day in Army Boot Camp like? Posted by Raquel on 11/25/2001, 9:43 am , in reply to "What is a day in Army Boot Camp like?" 24.168.176.249 Keith, There is an hour by hour schedule in the book (about a weeks time, snapshots throughout the training cycle), but generally, I can say that you will wake up at 4 am. Since you will sleep in your physical fitness uniform, little is needed before you show up in formation outside (unless you need to put on some layers for colder weather). The first half hour is used to get up and outside and getting accountability of everyone, etc. Then most days you will do physical training. You will alternate running days with strength training days with one day of rest on Sunday. After physical training, you will have time to shower, get dressed and clean up your barracks area, also get ready for the days activities (you may have to march to the company orderly room to get your rifle, or turn in your laundry, bedding..that kind of thing). Then it's off to the chow hall, again marching in formation. Then it's off to classes or a range, depending on what training is going on. The first few weeks, the classes are around the company area, so you will march there. After that, you will mostly take a cattle truck (an enclosed trailer w/windows that you all get piled into, standing up) to that day's particular range and stay out there all day til dinner (lunch will be brought out to you in insulated containers and you will eat on picnic tables or in a classroom on the range). When you get back to the barracks, you'll be tired, hungry, cold or hot (depending on the weather). You'll turn your weapons back in, usually right before dinner. After you eat, it's back to the barracks. Drill sergeants will use this time to individually counsel you, help those who need it with reinforcement training, etc. Most times you have an hour to yourself before lights out at 8 pm. In the first few weeks, this hour to yourself will be split up by the drill sergeants..ie shine your boots for 10 min, wax the floors for x minutes, write a letter home for x min...you get the idea. Then it starts all over again. Good luck to you! how to get into shape for basic Posted by William Carpenter on 11/22/2001, 12:26 am 152.163.195.184 I'm joinning the Army National Guaard and this coming summer im going to basic and i was wondering how can i get into shape before i go i play baseball and we run 2miles in 12min. but i dont fell like im in shape. and also i was wondering is there anywhere i can buy Army Basic Training BE Smart BE Ready the book in a local book store. THanks for your time and i hope to hear from anyoneTHanksWilliam Carpenter Re: how to get into shape for basic Posted by Raquel on 11/22/2001, 10:24 am , in reply to "how to get into shape for basic" 24.168.176.249 William, Sounds great! It looks like you are on the right track, as you are already doing some kind of physical activity. The key is to start gradually. Also get used to wearing boots if you don't already wear them (toughen up your feet). The book has a very easy to follow fitness plan. You can also check some of the other messages on this board for more tips. Any local book retailer will be able to order the book for you thru their regular channels. Just give them the title and the author. If you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to answer them for you. Re: how to get into shape for basic Posted by Kataratos on 11/23/2001, 7:43 pm , in reply to "Re: how to get into shape for basic" 205.188.193.184 Where are you going to Basic? and when? Re: how to get into shape for basic Posted by William on 11/23/2001, 11:33 pm , in reply to "Re: how to get into shape for basic" 205.188.197.164 FT. Benning maybe and this summer you got any suggestions on how to get prepared Re: how to get into shape for basic Posted by Raquel on 11/24/2001, 7:43 am , in reply to "Re: how to get into shape for basic" 24.168.176.249 Looks like you will have plenty of time to get prepared. I would like to leave you with some words of wisdom from our battalion sergeant major. He said to survive and do well in BT, you have to do three things: Always be in the right uniform, be where you're supposed to be and do what you're told (immediately that is) and you can't go wrong. I would also suggest that once you arrive at BT, do not act like you "know it all" (even if you think you are prepared)...yes, you'll be more confident because you researched what it was like and are physically and mentally prepared, but the drill sergeants prefer those who know nothing and tend to come down hard on those with an attitude..don't develop one! My best advice is to use the knowledge you have gained but not to flaunt it and to try to blend in initially. Good luck to you. Weight Requirements Posted by Eve on 11/21/2001, 11:01 pm 64.223.215.44 What (if any) are the weight requirements for joining the army? I'm 5'11" 126 lbs...will I need to put on a pound or twenty to get into the army? Re: Weight Requirements Posted by Raquel on 11/22/2001, 10:18 am , in reply to "Weight Requirements" 24.168.176.249 You do not mention if you are male or female? I am assuming female. You are well within the limits. If you are interested in all the weight requirements, contact a local recruiter or visit the Army's website. Link: Go Army Recruiting Website Re: Weight Requirements Posted by Eve on 11/23/2001, 10:39 am , in reply to "Re: Weight Requirements" 64.223.212.92 Great. Thanks. army wife Posted by Kelli on 11/20/2001, 7:49 pm 209.112.181.1 I'm not in basic training but my husband is and I would like to know more about what he's going through and what kind of preparatory training is out there for wives and families? books, manuals, websites, anything Re: army wife Posted by Raquel on 11/21/2001, 10:26 am , in reply to "army wife" 24.168.176.249 Have you already explored the links from the armybasic website yet? As a new Army wife, you may want to read the free book online, Invisible Women (link is on the "Other Links" page). It is very biased (in a negative kind of way), but it still gives you some things to think about...money, housing, job opportunities for spouses, etc. YOu also may want to read the articles on basic training at About.com (follow the links). Good luck to you. Link: Other Links What does your rank change after basic training? Posted by Kelly on 11/19/2001, 12:22 pm 192.203.136.254 My Fiance is in basic training as we speak. He graduates December 18,2001 (lord willing). Anyways he went in as an E-2 because he was offered to take the PT test and he passed. I was wondering if when he does complete basic training if he will be an E-3? Does anyone know? Please help! Oh one more thing. Does the army take money out of his check for taxes? Re: What does your rank change after basic training? Posted by Raquel on 11/20/2001, 11:09 am , in reply to "What does your rank change after basic training?" 24.168.176.249 Great to hear that your fiance is doing well. His commander will be able to promote 3% of his graduating class to E2 but not to E3. He should become an E3 in about 12 months of service. Yes, your fiance will have money taken out of his check for taxes, just like any other job..in addition to money to pay for life insurance, dental benefits for you and any other allotments he may have Need to get in shape! Posted by Rebekah on 11/19/2001, 11:17 am 24.18.221.87 I am shipping out to Basic in 2 months. I realize that I am very much out of shape. I do yoga but no strength training regimen. Even though the sit ups are easy for me, I cannot do even one push-up and there isn't any way I will ever be able to run a 10 minute mile. What do you suggest I do to be ready in two months? Re: Need to get in shape! Posted by Raquel on 11/20/2001, 4:54 pm , in reply to "Need to get in shape!" 24.168.176.249 I don't want to rewrite the book here, there is a good beginner fitness plan in there. But I do want to tell you that you must start your fitness plan gradually. I had quite a few females who suffered from hairline fractures in their lower extremeties because they did too much in the few weeks before they arrived, coupled with the intensity of the first two weeks of BT (at least 4-6 females on crutches in Week 3). You need to combine a plan where you do lots of upper body strength training (where most females are lacking), as well as running (both endurance and sprinting, rotated every other day of the week, with one day of rest). I also suggest that you start wearing Army-type boots or sturdy hiking boots and get used to wearing them for long distances. I can't tell you how many soldiers we had with foot related problems because their feet were not tough enough before they arrived. Start getting ready now. I find a lot of females like aerobics, so if there are classes in your area, this would be a good start. Some recruiters also run PT sessions and I would definitely participate in those. The bottom line is that you need to start now...don't wait until right before you go..you will do more harm that way. Good luck and let me know if I can help some more. p.s. I bet that when you graduate BT, you WILL be able to run that 10 minute mile..believe me, we had tons of folks who were super slow but with determination and hard work, they did make it...don't give up on yourself before you even start BT! Non- Military Question Posted by Kerowynn on 11/13/2001, 12:03 am 24.4.252.177 Well sort of non military. Looking for a good title for an online diary I'm incorporating into my website. My husband is going to be posting my letters home from boot camp on it and I thought I'd just stop by and see if you had any suggestions. What I was looking for was a word that pretty much summed up BCT from a female's perspective. Any ideas? Kero Re: Non- Military Question Posted by Raquel on 11/14/2001, 3:27 pm , in reply to "Non- Military Question" 24.168.176.249 Hmmm...that's a hard one for me! My simple simon title would be "Letters Home from Boot Camp" (very boring!). Some ideas you might want to think about: ToughNever QuitStay StrongNever let em see you crysisters in trainingtoughest challenge of your live Most women in BT feel that they have to prove everyone "wrong"..that "girls" are not "weak". Even though quite a few do break down and cry "in front of the boys", many strive to stay strong in front of the male drill sergeants and male recruits and not show their emotions in the process. I hope this gives you some food for thought. Good luck to you and I would love to be able to link to your site! Let me know when it's up! I know soon-to-be recruits love to read how others are handling the stresses of BT. Re: Non- Military Question Posted by Kerowynn on 11/14/2001, 7:59 pm , in reply to "Re: Non- Military Question" 24.4.252.177 I settled on "Clearing the Smoke - Surviving Boot Camp", since "smoke" has a couple different meanings in BCT, aside from getting smoked everytime you turn around (hehe) there's also FTX (WOOHOO!). I've started the journal but it won't be until Feb 02 when I go in, if my husband doesn't get deployed that is. Here's the journal, my homepage is linked from it too (link below) Thanks for the suggestions though! Kero Re: Non- Military Question Posted by Raquel on 11/15/2001, 7:21 am , in reply to "Re: Non- Military Question" 24.168.176.249 You hit the nail on the head! Great name! We all look forward to hearing what you have to say! Good luck to you! Army Posted by Jennifer on 11/10/2001, 5:21 pm 209.153.161.17 I took the ASVAB this fall and reieved an overall score of 82, I find this score to be unacceptable and, not a real representaion of my skill levels nor a true indicator of genuine ability. I went into the test "blind" not realizing that I could study for it in the same fashion as one would for the ACT's and other standardized tests. I am also aware that this score is "good" for two years. I have run into a situation where I wish to have a more varied field of options as to prospective MOS's. This being said here is my question: Can you retake the ASVAB, in the same manner as the ACT's, in an attempt to increase my score and open different MOS options? If so, how should I go about this task (i.e. ask my recruiter)? Thanks alot for any imput you have on this subject Re: Army Posted by Kerowynn on 11/12/2001, 11:42 pm , in reply to "Army" 24.4.252.177 Yes you can retake the asvab 30 days after your first try. After the second time you'll have to wait 6 months before you can take it again. They will not take the "best" scoring test, only the most recent one. So if you score lower, tuogh, you'll either have to take that score or take it again in 6 months. Just ask your recruiter when you can take the test again. If they try to tell you that you can't, tell them you know better and demand to re-take the test. LearnATest.com has some excellent materials for preparing you for the ASVAB. I orginally scored an 89 with out any preperation, after using the practice test and the manual from LearnATest I scored a 99 and had just about every MOS open to me. Good luck! Kero P.S. Rod's US Military site IS great! Everyone there is very helpful. Link: Learn A Test Re: Army Posted by Raquel on 11/11/2001, 8:09 am , in reply to "Army" 208.24.225.214 Unfortunately, I am not the expert when it comes to recruiting issues. That's a whole different world! The person I know with all the latest and greatest info on recruiting is Rod Powers at About.com. Make sure you post this question on his board. You'll have to register, but it's worth it to hear his opinion. Go to: http://usmilitary.about.com/mpboards.htm Good luck! Link: Ask Rod Powers at About.com infantry training? Posted by Mike on 11/3/2001, 10:28 am 205.188.200.136 I just fnished ordering your book and am looking forward to getting it. I was curiousto know whether your book covered infantry training or just regular boot camp. Thanks! Re: infantry training? Posted by Raquel on 11/3/2001, 7:27 pm , in reply to "infantry training?" 208.24.225.96 The book is strictly about boot camp and does not go into AIT (Advanced Individual Training or OSUT (One Station Unit Training). If you are going to Benning, you will be in an OSUT unit where they will do BT first and then your MOS specific (Infantry) AIT. All BT posts must follow the same curriculum for BT, whether they are at Benning or somewhere else. Maybe someone will one day write about a book that will cover the various AITs? getting in shape and what will be expected.... Posted by Mike on 11/2/2001, 10:05 pm 64.12.107.179 I'm going in the army and would like to know what will be expected from me during boot camp. I'm going airborne ranger if that helps. I'm currently running 5 miles (45 minutes) every other day along with 60 pushups and situps 8 times per day.What else can I or should I be doing to better prepare myself? Thanks for any help! mike Re: getting in shape and what will be expected.... Posted by Raquel on 11/3/2001, 7:35 pm , in reply to "getting in shape and what will be expected...." 208.24.225.96 Mike, I must say you are in much better shape than most of the recruits who show up for boot camp. The Army standard for all schools is an eight minute mile so you may want to increase your tempo a little during your five mile runs. Remember to taper prior to entering basic training or you will risk the potential of injuring yourself or peaking too early. Continue the upper body regimen you have and stress the endurance portion (ie. stressing the repetitions in a two minute interval versus multiple sets of a few repetitions). Focus on getting through basic training and then on your follow-on schools Re: getting in shape and what will be expected.... Posted by Nick on 12/4/2001, 2:58 am , in reply to "Re: getting in shape and what will be expected...." 64.12.103.23 im also enlisting soon under a Ranger contract. All i keep hearing is LOTS and LOTS of running. try reading Ranger School by Brace E. Barder im not so sure about in RIP, but if and when you make it to the actual Ranger School, you'll go through sleep and food deprivation, and lots of leadership training. goodluck! -Nick locate bootcamps Posted by Thomas DiCocco on 10/30/2001, 11:40 pm 205.188.196.52 I am intreasted in finding out where all the basic training camps are located. Re: locate bootcamps Posted by Raquel on 10/31/2001, 7:32 am , in reply to "locate bootcamps" 208.24.225.82 For most "non combat" MOSs, you will do BT at one unit (at one of the three posts below) and then move on to whatever post has your AIT training. These posts have gender-integrated BT units: Ft Jackson, SCFt Leonard Wood, MOFt Sill, OK MOS specific basic training is located on the posts below, for the MOSs noted. This is called One Station Unit Training (OSUT) where BT and AIT are in the same unit: Ft Benning, GA (Infantry)Ft Knox, KY (Armor)Ft Leonard Wood, MO (Combat Engineers, MPs, Chem)Ft Sill, OK (Field Artillery) Ft Benning and Ft Knox are currently the only "male only" basic training posts. Hope this helps. military service Posted by Tamrat on 9/21/2001, 8:47 pm 63.30.253.1 I am 49 years old and i wanted to know if I can serve in the national guard. I really want to do that. currently I work for a City government in California.please respond Re: military service Posted by Raquel on 9/23/2001, 2:10 pm , in reply to "military service" 208.24.225.132 Tamrat, The best advice I can give you is to call the National Guard itself. The rules are constantly changing and in light of what has been going on, they would be able to offer you the latest on what's available, with "no strings attached". You can reach them at: 1-800-GO-GUARD and http://www.1800goguard.com/lines/index.htm Good luck to you! Re: military service Posted by Kataratos on 11/24/2001, 2:23 pm , in reply to "Re: military service" 205.188.193.152 National Guard current rules: You must be between the ages of 17 and 35 to enlist with no prior service. If you have previously served in another branch of the military you could probably get in, but otherwise, no. Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by Raquel on 9/12/2001, 6:03 pm 208.24.225.235 Please feel free to post your questions about basic training here. I will try to answer them as quickly as I can. Others are also welcome to answer questions if they like. Please refrain from asking recruiting/enlistment-type questions, as recruiters are better equipped to answer those types of questions. Thanks again and good luck to all of you! I wish you all the best of success! Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by MARTHAD on 11/8/2001, 6:14 pm , in reply to "Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board!" 205.188.198.31 WHEN GOING INTO BASIC WHAT IS FTC? Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by Raquel on 11/9/2001, 11:39 am , in reply to "Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board!" 208.24.225.244 The Army (and military for that matter) is full of acronyms..without a reference, it is difficult for me to tell you what FTC means. Was it on your enlistment contract..or somewhere else? There is something called a Fitness Training Company or Unit (FTC or FTU). Most training posts have these as a holding area for sorely out of shape soldiers. You will take a short fitness test at the inprocessing center at your basic training post after you arrive and if you fail, you get sent to an FTC before you even get to basic training company. It's a miserable place, so it pays off to come to BT in good physical shape. Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by eric on 10/28/2001, 12:36 pm , in reply to "Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board!" 205.188.199.181 I am trying to find out which branch(reserve) of the service has the shortest basic training time. I want to enlist, however, i run a small business that prevents me from leaving for 8 weeks. Ideally, i could disappear for 3-5 weeks Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by Kerowynn on 11/12/2001, 11:50 pm , in reply to "Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board!" 24.4.252.177 The Air Force has the shortest Basic Training time, they are only 6 weeks long. This does not mean that after 6 weeks you are through with training and can go back home. You still have tech school to go through (or AIT if you're Army) which can be up to two years long depending on the MOS you pick. If 3-5 weeks is all you can spare, forget about the service. Reserves spend as much time in basic training and Tech/AIT as their active counterparts do. But you can always apply for a scholarship and go through ROTC if you're still young enough. Kero Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board! Posted by Raquel on 10/31/2001, 7:35 am , in reply to "Re: Welcome to the Army Basic Training Message Board!" 208.24.225.82 Eric, You may be out of luck. I cannot think of any program that is this short. It would be impossible to properly train you in that timeframe. Maybe you could get a relative or close friend to "watch" your business while you are away? Were you thinking about doing Reserve or Guard time?

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