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Dan:OSUT is a little harder (not quite the Hell combat arms people would have you believe). There is a certain amount of pride in the OSUT jobs (Inf, Arty, Armor, maybe Engineers & MP's) because they are taught usually by people in that MOS. It seems unfair to me, because the desk jockeys and REMF's (ask your dad) get to change locations after basic, while you keep the same drill sergeants and pretty much the same restrictions as you did during "basic" ( I couldn't tell when basic ended and AIT began). The good news is: your OSUT will be over much quicker and you'll get to your first duty station months sooner than your chairborne compatriots. And waiting for you there will be a nice, fat enlistment bonus check (less about 1/3 for taxes)Don't worry; I've been through OSUT twice; Infantry at Benning & Arty at Ft. Sill. They won't ask anything of you that you can't do; they take soft, video game playing couch potatoes and force them out of their comfort zone. Millions of people have gone through this before you, and almost everyone who WANTS to finish will finish. Read "Boot" by DelaCruz; although it's about USMC basic, it will help you. Also, "Mud Soldiers", which takes you through Infantry OSUT and then permanent duty at Ft. Riley. Good luck Gun Bunny!

I am in the national guard, and have already received a clothing bag issue from the regiment AG. Should I bring the BDU's and pt uniforms to basic? They don't have any insignia, other than the nametape, Could I use those as back-up uniforms, when the others become too foul? Also, I wear a 12/4E boot, which had to be special ordered. Could I at least bring those, since reception isn't likely to have those on stock? They are, after all army issue. Thanks

Thats kinda true. The national guard works for the government on both a federal AND state level. For the most part, you work for the state, but as in every major conflict the US has ever fought in, Guard units are called up and work on a federal level. This is also why an officer in the guard is recognised in both the ARNG and the ARMY.-Romulusguy

No...you must score at LEAST 50% on each item...there is no carrying of points to the next element...therefore..if you have to do 19 to score a 50% and you only do 10, you fail...also if you do 19 and you only needed 10, that would mean you just did better on that element of the testing. By the end of your training cycle you should have absolutely no problems passing your final APFT to graduate Basic...barrin injuries, which would likely end up a push back to the next class graduating to give you time to recover and get 'back into shape'..I have heard though they may also take a previous score and set that as your final if you passed a previous one, but again, I would think they would recyle you back a class for healing purposes so they weren't shipping an injured soldier to their AIT course. 74Bravo

Hi, Awile back i was looking for a book that had information about basic training... luckily i stumbled across this book. However there is a key difference in what i was looking for. I'm going to the air force... just a bit curious if anyone had info on some of the differences.. (besides the obvious, AF basic is shorter). I expect there to still be tremendous challenge and i'm trying to get prepared per this book... just trying to see whats different... thanks ahead of time!

Go to about.com. There is brief descrption of air force BMT at Lackland AFB.(all air force basic training is conducted there, so if you go air force, you will go there)If you want more info, go to the message board there and ask Rod Powers. He will know where to locate more info. A lot of the guys in my ARNG unit are ex-air force, and have been through both bt programs, and say other than more classes and less field training, and better barracks, it really isn't that much more lax. I hear their in-processing is more efficient, with less hold-over times as well. Hope that helped.

Oh yes, they most definitely do, I am happy I will definitely buy several. It's very much like a yearbook with highlights from different aspects of basic training makes a great gift for family members of your experience. If you want a little bit more info on it I would suggest going to the Ft. Jackson website and looking under basic training there will be a section about families with instructions for them when it comes time for graduation. I think it's under the FAQ's you'll find a little info on the "yearbook" and also about videotapes of the graduation ceremony. Hope this helps.

You must take into consideration, that you will almost never do heavy lifting by yourself. It would be a violation of safety regs to do so. You will be fine. Things as complex as aircraft parts are usually lifted with an electric winch or a fork lift anyway. The Army doesn't want you droping something heavy on your foot just as bad as you are concerned with being able to lift heavy parts. Jobs that will require that type of lifting are usually done as a team effort. Don't worry. I think it is a cool kind of job. Think of the employment chances when you get out of the Army. If at worst, you really could not do the job, then you might be able to put in for a reclass to another MOS. I wouldn't give it too much thought, though. You'll be fine. My wife is a power generation mechanic and she has no problems with that kind of thing. If she can do it, then so can you. Good luck and try your best to enjoy it.

hehe I finally got it. 11X/airborne option/stationed in Europe. hell yea!! MEPS tried to get me to pick every MOS under the sun except the one I wanted. Finally walked out for the second time and got a new counselor and he offered me anything I wanted and where ever I wanted it at. I leave for FT. Benning Jan. 2nd. 2003.. anyone else?well thanks for the advice about sticking to your guns.. it deffinately paid off.. MEPS can be hell, especially at the end of a fiscal year and counselors have a stack of all the crappy jobs left and quota's to be meet.thxDean

I know alot of people have their doubts about their MOS, I am having mine. I really don't want to try and change it because it changes my BCT date, bonus, first duty station and all that. But I have read several descriptions about my MOS and I still don't have a freakin' clue as to what I will be doing. I'd appreciate any info or encouragement.

My neighbor was a 31F and just moved. He did all kinds of stuff from setting up single computers in an office, to helping design the III Corps website, to setting up a LAN between a couple of units for a training exercise. He even acted as an operator while out in the field. I wish I could tell you more, but I can tell you one thing. He was an E-5 and just got out of the Army to start at a job doing the same thing he did in the Army for 60K a year to start. For that kind of money, I don't care if the job requires me to shovel s**t. I just know his job was not the same thing every day, and that sounds like a good thing to me.

most mos's require some sort of clearance. I'm a 63B light wheel mech and I had to get security clearance. It was not a big deal at all for me and my sec. interview lasted all of a couple of minutes. Talk to a recruiter, but as long as you have no law violations or something else extraordinary it should not be a problem, and there are always waivers for just about everything.

As an MP you will need a confidential clearance. It is the lowest type of clearance you can get. It is basically you signing a form that says you will keep your mouth shut if by chance you hear or see some type of information that we would not want our enemies to see or hear about. As your recruiter about it. He or she will be able to explain it better than I.

If I'm in the army reserve, is it alright to miss weekend drill? My concern is that I'm on my college basketball team, and it would pretty much be impossible to go back home a drill during January and Febuary. What are the rules about missing/resheduling drill? I realize that I wouldn't get paid for that month, but could I end up getting court marshalled?

You can STA (split training assembly) for the drills that you are going to miss, that means you HAVE to make up the time you missed and there are dates that you have to make them up by, but that is up to your home station. Make sure you contact your section SGT to ensure you are cleared for the STA dates. YOU MUST inform your platoon or section SGT PRIOR to drill. Failure to do so will result in you being recorded as AWOL, and will not be changed without the consent of the company commander.

Are you planning to get a release from your reserve unit, or is your enlistment term up? Well, either way, your contract will be terminated, and your new contract will be completely re-negociable. It is actually very common for reservists to enlist active duty into new MOS's. Two problems you may encounter: 1- if you are in a position for which there is a shortage in your unit, or if you haven't served at least two years with your reserve unit, they may deny your request for a release. ( Since your reserve component paid for your IET, they like you to stick around long enough to get their money's woth out of you.) 2- the active duty recruiter does not get points against his enlistment quota for prior service applicants, so depending how busy he is, he could put you on the back burner to all the NPS guys he is enlisting. The first step in this process is to go to a active army recruiter and have him fill out a conditional release form. I would do this ASAP, if you think your unit will release you. It usually takes three to six months for them to be approved. About Europe, since you will be enlisting like any one else, I am sure there is some way you can request stationing there. Mike C. knows of a personel assignment website where you can request duty station directly, and you may want to check that out. Rod Powers at about.com has an entire section on getting off of reserve status to go active duty, and I would check there as well. Hope I helped.

It is dificult to change your MOS to come onto active duty. There is a chance that you can, but don't count on it. You should check out AR 601-210. It explains the rules on coming in in a new MOS. When I came out of the reserves, I had to go onto active duty at my original MOS. I was also told that the only assignment that I could get was Korea. While at the inprocessing station, I got with a strength management guy who changed my assignment to Germany. I served in my MOS for just over a year and put in to change to 11B. I got it and the rest is history. Good luck with it. Just do your homework and hopefully, you will get what you want.

I'm currently starting my sophmore year of college and I'd like to join the army. Is there some way I can get basic training and AIT out of the way right now. I'm thinking of doing "split option". Can my reserve stop me from going active because I haven't spent enough time in the reserves? Does the army offer any better way to get basic out the way, and go active when you graduate

I am a junior in college and will be attending BCT and AIT during what would be my second semester of this year. I chose to do this because I got an off peak ship bonus of $2000 and to me it was worth it to just "get it out of the way and done with" I decided to join the national guard because they had the best benefits for college, and I am not really up on what the reserves has to offer instead, but I would imagine that it would be easier to go active from the reserves than the guard. You should talk to a recruiter about that one THEY REALLY CAN BE HELPFUL!!!As far as split option...if you are joining the army for the college benefits you must be mos qualified to get any kicker that may come with your enlistment so getting it all done at once like me may be your better option, but then again if you really want to stay on track with school split option may be for you it all depends on the individual.If you are dead set on finishing school you may want to consider thinking about the national guard instead becuase they have a slightly smaller chance of getting activated during this time in the world but that too depends on your MOS.It is my understanding that with the world events being as they are currently that activation of Reserves is very possible and if fact I have been told that my guard unit may be activated soon.Talk to a few recruiters and get all the info before you decideGOOD LUCK ON WHATEVER YOU DECIDE

Yes.....your reserve unit can stop you from going active duty. You can't just transfer to active duty, so to speak. If you want to go active duty after signing a contract in the reserves, you must go to an active army recruiter and have him fill out a request for a conditional release from your reserve contract. (the "condition" being that you are going active duty) If you haven't been in your unit at least 2 years, they usually deny the request.( the reserve component you are in pays for your enitial entry training, and wants to get it's money's worth.) If you do a good job, many times full-time positions become available with your reserve unit, depending on it's size and function. This provides the dual benefit of being paid on the active-duty basis, while staying in your home town, so you could take some night classes. Most of the full timers at my unit work 08:00-16:00, and have pretty comfy desk jobs.

Running (start with the 30/30...walk 30 seconds..run 30 seconds..see http://www.runnersworld.com for more info on this), pushups...lots of pushups...situps...lots of situps...basically, cario 3 days a week, and muscular 3 days a week...for the 7th day..rest. At least once a week..for muscular..take it to the point you can no longer push yourself..ie muscle failure. MEPS:1 blood work2 urinalysis3 eye test4 hearing test5 ortho (this is where you will hear the term duck walk..basically checking to make sure you can perform the basics of movement)6 Doctor review (Males: Doctor will give you a hernia check, have you bend over and spread'em (females...someone can fill this in here..but basically the same from what I have heard/read) and look at your ears, throat, and teeth) Failure, or DQ's can occur at any station and may require a Consult with a military contracted doctor...like for my eyes, and ear drum. *grr* no biggie though..nothing to be nervous about, or get over anxious..it's over in a few hours...and good for 2 years...or so I've heard...also..when there is a sign posted that says no talking, or no ...please be courtious..and follow the rules). 74Bravo

I would suggest that you take some wet-wipes that contain alcohol and you wipe your feet after the ortho portion of the physical. You could also take some foot soap with you and visit the bathroom and actually wash your feet after your ortho exam...the wetwipes are faster and more convenient for the time being, but I agree...when you get home/motel give your piggies a good scrubbing.

I had 5 days between BCT and AIT in 92..shipped from Ft. Jackson to Ft. Gordon...time was spent at the R&P listening to people drive by screaming "NEWBIE!!" as they passed... Some of your time will probably be spent the same, inprocess into the new base, then you are marched to your new company...your milage may vary, however, it'll likely be close to the same...I also noted my time between the two and thought maybe we would be allowed to go home for a weekend, or some such..but no dice. Maybe things have changed...*shrug

I read Marck's postings on www.freeopendiary (he's in basic @ Ft. Knox). He says it costs $106, but is worth it!!! Time and washing machines are at a premium. They also have this service when you get to your duty station (it's called quartermaster laundry). They don't starch, but they are clean & pressed, so you always look PRETTY good. (BTW, you should own at least 2 extra uniforms, because neither service is "one hour Martinizing; you'll have to wait a few days, and service is slower on weekends & holidays)

To clarify, during BT, most folks use Quartermaster to send out their uniforms to get done (basically the whole company does this; it's highly encouraged). Soldiers then use the washers/dryers in the barracks to do their PT uniforms, underwear, socks...although some do send their underwear and socks out to Quartermaster...but I've seen too many folks get someone else's underwear for my liking..but, if that doesn't bother you, then go for it! Also, no you won't buy any additional uniforms at BT.

As I stated in the earlier posting, laundry for Marck cost $106 for BCT at Ft. Knox (Clean the wax out of your ears, trainee!!! You'd better learn to listen, or you're in for a world of hurt!!! Now drop & give me 20!!!) Just kidding, but expect a lot of that!!!Also, don't expect too much from the clothing allowance; Army people used to get about $240 a year on the anniversary of their enlistment. But the first year, you get only half that (your uni's are new, so shouldn't require that much care & maintenance). On your 3rd anniversary, it goes up about 50% (but it's not going to put you in a higher tax bracker). And it may be broken down into monthly installments, so you may no notice it. WARNING!!! It does take away all your excuses; when your 1st line supervisor asks why your boot heels are worn, you have no unit insignia on your BDU field jacket, or no current rank on your dress greens, DO NOT expect to be able to use "I don't have any money, sarge" as an excuse. THAT'S WHAT THE CLOTHING ALLOWANCE IS FOR!!!!!!!!! You will almost always spend more for cleaning, repair & replacement than you get, so you best bet is save the receipts, as it is tax deductible. PS: RT is right; you can't get extra BDU's while in BCT (where, ironically, you need them most) but you can order them, complete with the more professional embroidered name tapes, from WWW.supertrooper.com before AIT or your 1st duty station. PPS: One item left off most packing lists is an indelible (sharpie) marker. Put your name & last 4 of your SSN on everything, even undies, shoes & socks. Our comrades don't steal, but they will "borrow" in a pinch.

When I went from BCT -> AIT, we were still under the watchful eye of the DS's till fourth phase was completed. We were not allowed to wear civs till after the 4th phase, and wore PT and BDU till that time. We were allowed to have radios, however, they must be secured in wall lockers, and were not allowed to be played after 2100, and before 0700..which stunk as I was on mids classes, therefore, I got home AFTER 2100 and at 0700, we had just gotten nice and snug, as we got home ~0400 and well..free time then sleep. Magazines were pretty much the same, they were to be looked at during free time, and NO porno's... 74Bravo

Hey I was about to join the Army National Guard then I found out that the artillery unit I was planning on drilling out of hasn't been mobilized for overseas duty since Korea. Now I'm not some nut who prays for war, but if the guard just sits around and looks pretty on some Pentagon ledger doing nothing more than directing traffic during an occasional flood then whats the point of joining up? I mean I don't WANT to go to war but its alot to go through just to join some weekend warrior social club. Sorry if this seems disrespectful, it just kind of shocked me how little the guard gets used.

For me, the opportunity to serve our local communities in times of civil emergencies is a benefit of serving in the NG. We don't just "direct traffic", so to speak. My paticular unit, for example, is close to the remote mountain areas of east Tennessee. Many times, members of our cavalry regiment have been called upon to deliver badly needed medical supplies to elderly people during bad snow storms, who happen to live in areas that are inaccessable during winter weather. Also, we help communities re-build their homes and provide temporary shelter and food for folks who wouldn't have the means to obtain such aid otherwise. We also participate in numerous charities and fund-raisers throughout the year. I enjoy being able to give back to the community who's taxes pay my wages. Such deeds foster good-will and support from the community towards the National Guard, and the military as a whole. This "one-on-one" interaction with the civilian population is unique to the guard, and as old a tradition as serving in a wartime capacity. As far as your unit's deployment history, that has little effect on it's potential to be called up. The command looks at many different factors: mainly your particular unit's strength and readiness, and wether or not it has been through the NTC program. Just think of your joining as making your unit one step closer to being "full strength" in the eyes of the command. Best of luck in your decision.

The National Guard is worth joining if you want to serve your state. My last unit was called up to rescue flood victims in Texas. We went to Bosnia a year ago and will be going to NTC in November. There are units that will go nowhere and do nothing, and there will be units that do all kinds of stuff. If you were to go Arty, then you can expect to do nothing. An Infantry unit might do more, but there is counter-drug operations, long range recon, and a number of other jobs that are good in the Guard. Most states have great college payment programs for serving in the Guard. I've been taking college classes here in Texas for a couple of years and have not had to spend a penny. I'm in a unit where I'm a Texas Guardsman assigned to an active duty unit. I work for the state of Texas as a liason with the active Army. I go to the field with them, go to the same schools as them, and deploy with them in times of war or training like JRTC, and NTC. If you live near an Army base, it might be worth checking out. If I were you and wanted to look at the Guard, then go on your states Guard website and look for a unit that has more deployment potential. I'll be going to NTC in November and Kosovo in May. There are some good jobs out there, you just have to do your homework to find one.

My husband has gotten a els because of medical reasons he was still in reception at Ft Benning,it has now been 3 weeks going on 4 he needs to be under doctors care and he thought he would get his packet this past week but didnt....does anyone know how long this takes and what the packet is?as of today he has been gone 36 daysany information would really help me!!!Thank you

If your husband got out on a medical, he should've gotten an EPTS. These can take awhile..I've seen them take 1-2 months. It all depends on how many others they are processing at the time...lots of paperwork, etc.. Rest assured, your husband is already under a doctor's care while he is on post, so he is probably just bored as anything and being kept busy with gopher-type work. He'll be home before you know it:-))

Don't worry about the physical element to any of the training. If you train regularly (just regularly...don't worry too much about intensity), you will make it. I've got the some questions about airborne school. How hard is it? And what if you can't make yourself do a jump? I'm not scared of hieghts, but jumping out of a plane would be rough. What happens if you can't do it? would anyone like to talk about what life was like at airborn school.

There is so much repetition in jump school, all the things you have to do will be second nature by the time you jump out of the real thing. It's natural to get jitters before going! Jumping out of a plane is not a natural thing! EVERYONE gets scared..if you are not scared, then you shouldn't be up there to begin with. Depending on why you fail jump school (there are quite a few folks who just get injured..I'm talking small things, like spraining an ankle and such), you could get recycled into the next class. If for whatever reason you're just not hacking it and not able to keep up, you'll just go on without airborne..as long as you aren't going to an airborne unit, it shouldn't affect any future assignments.

Therein lies the rub (been dying to say that!).My MOS & 1st duty station (92R/Ft. Bragg) REQUIRE airborne status. WHAT WAS I THINKING? I'll be 35 by the time I leave for basic. I never doubted I could finish basic, but jump school...will I have another meeting with a career counselor, or will I be assigned "to the needs of the Army?"

Please be positive! If you can do the PT in basic, you'll do fine at jump school. Look at the millions that have gone thru before you! Rest assured that the Army will teach you step-by-step and hammer it into your brain. You won't show up and then jump out of a plane a few days later. Follow the link to airborne school on my resources page. Read what they do each week...that should make you more confident. Have confidence in yourself. I've known LTCs who were "old" who went through jump school! If you are in decent shape and just 'go with the flow' of what they are teaching you, you will do fine. Most folks are TERRIFIED going to jump school..it's normal. If for some reason you don't make jump school (most people do graduate), you'll be assigned to a slot in your MOS that does not require being airborne. Chances are you would not get Ft Bragg then, you'd be assigned to the needs of the Army at the time..in your current MOS.

Don't worry about Airborne School. I went through at 18 and was in a class of about 400. At least 50 of those were over 30. We even a couple guys and 1 woman over 40. All of them made it. You can make it too. I'm 33 and will have to go through refresher training in about 9 months. That means I'll have to jump again then. I'm more worried about competing with a bunch of kids than I am with failing. you can do it and will go on to an elite unit with a bunch of great history. Just think about how good it will feel when you get through it. Physically, the school is tough, but not that bad. Basic and AIT will get you prepared for it just fine. As far as falling from the sky on a chute is concerned, don't worry about it. The ride down is suprisingly quick. Like RT pointed out, everything is repeated so much that you will will have it firmly placed in your brain when you hit Jump week. Have fun with it. You can do it! Please trust me on this. Just work on your running now and you will do fine.

ITB simply means Infantry Training Brigade. It is the same thing as basic, but because he's there going through it he might just think it's harder than other basic training posts. They all teach the same skills. The only difference is that if he's training for an Infantry MOS, it might be a little tougher than some other MOS's because they are mixing basic and AIT stuff all into that 14 weeks. I went through Infantry basic and AIT at Harmony Church, Ft Benning. I personally believe it was tougher than what others go through, but I'm biased and he probably is too. There is a certain sense of pride to go through training at Benning. It is the home of the Infantry.

It is not an old wives tale. Many training units offer this as a reward to the most distinguished recruit of that training cycle. They look for the person that gets first time go's on all tasks, as well as the highest pt test score, best atitude, most motivated, and most eager to help their fellow recruits. It is a bunch of factors really, but it is worth striving for.

First off...CONGRATS on your enlistment! During your Senior year, you should make every effort to become involved with any and all sports (either scholastic, or extracuricular) so as to get into shape, and increase your endurance, as well as your stamina. Along with any physical sports you should also make an effort to get out on your own to further your abilities...push yourself, but don't over do it and get injured. Again, congrats on your enlistment, and good luck this coming year in school...get good grades, buckle down, graduate, and drive on...HOOAH! 74Bravo

Don't worry about it. You will do fine. I was in the same boat as you when I first enlisted. It is an adventure that you will be going on. You got some good advice already. Do your best to get in good shape before you go. As far as being away from home is concerned, it will be ok. You will be lonely and homesick, but it passes. You will make friends that will be closer in some ways than family. You'll see what I'm talking about later. People will be in your face, so get used to that fact now. Just remember to keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut, and you will learn from others mistakes. Your enlistment is a big step in becoming an adult. Good for you! You seem well grounded and smart. Don't worry about the fears you might have about the future. Millions have been there before you (including me) and millions will come after you. Do your best this year and good job on your choice to enlist. You should look into the SMP program while you are in college. Again, good luck with your future.

Should you find they have no openings in your decided upon field, you can always request they either locate something in that field (always dropsouts in BCT, medical discharges, etc) so a slot should be able to be located, OR...depending on your rush, since you state you cannot ship till next year anyhow, wait till FY03 opens on Oct 1. At that time, all jobs in the Army are supposed to again be accepting fillings to backfill open slots. Just something to think about...good luck at MEPS, and don't sign a contract if it does not fulfill your ideals and goals. 74Bravo

http://www.rozellewebs.com/terry/chris/ This was from Chris's letters home at http://www.armybasic.homestead.com/basic.html Here is what was contained in the issues items from R&P: 2 BDUs pants and jacket (summer)2 BDUs pants and jacket (winter)2 BDU field jackets (heavy coats)2 BDU caps: 1 summer, 1 winter2 PT sweatshirts and pants, gray with ARMY on front3 PT shorts and shirts2 pairs long john pants and shirts7 brown undershirts7 brown briefs2 pairs black leather boots6 pairs black wool socks6 pairs black dress socks1 pair black leather gloves. 2 wool liners.3 towels2 washcloths 74Bravo

For those that are preparing to leave for BCT anytime in the near future, I thought I would post a link to give an idea of how to obtain a spit shine on your soon (or eventually) to be issues footwear... Note that when I went through BCT in 1992 our DS's were always challenging us to out shine them, however, we were also told that our boots should only be semi gloss (note, not parade glossy, or mirror shined) and in good looking condition..aka no obvious scuffs. This site has some good info on it, and I recommend you stick with Kiwi. It's the most readily available and is what is recommended by most DS's. I also recommend you practice now with some shoes that can use some shining to get a good technique down so you can make the most of your 'free' time. Also note that once you get a good shine going, keep it up. You can only improve upon your base layer. now for the promised link. http://www.genderweb.org/~boyzone/boot.html Have fun, keep heads high, listen to what your told by your DS's..and speak only when required! 74Bravo

A couple of questions here; First, I wear a 124E shoe. Is reception pretty good about fitting people with weird shoe sizes? If worse comes to worse I can wear a 13EE, but I'll be floppin' around like Ronald McDonald, and I will inevitably destroy the boots from the awkward fit, and it would be extremely uncomfortable. My second question concerns BRM. I'm left-handed, but I am dominant in my right eye. It was never an issue on pistol ranges, because I could easily maintain a left-handed grip and aim with my right eye. I have used a left-handed stance with a shotgun and qualified on police ranges while aiming with my left eye.( you have to be a blithering idiot to miss a 25m target with a shotgun, unless you're blind),but hitting at 100m+ with a rifle is a totally different story. Has any one had this problem? Any info would be much appreciated!

Don't worry about the shoe sizes. They should be able to accomodate you. We never had a problem in our company with the few folks who had odd or large sizes. They take extra time to make sure boots fit! Your feet will become your best friend! To the BRM question, I have the exact same quirk you have..left-handed but right dominant eye. When I first started BRM in ROTC it was horrible..couldn't hit the side of a barn it seems. This is before I knew I was right-eye dominant. They had me fire left-handed and patched up my right eye. Then a smarter cadre member, after a few rifle ranges, had me do the eye dominance test..now he could see I was right eye dominant. I started shooting right handed..actually I got used to it VERY quickly..started hitting targets, and went from Sharpshooter to Expert fairly quickly..I couldn't shoot left handed if I had to now! For those who want to try the eye dominance test, here's a link to determine which eye is the dominant one:



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Is Combat Arms OSUT Posted by Dan on 8/25/2002, 3:20 pm 199.199.185.117 I'm going in as a cannon crewmember, so I'll be doing OSUT at Ft. Sill. Does OSUT end up being a lot harder than the average basic training? Re: Oops "Is combat arms OSUT harder than average BCT?" Posted by Sgt. Mike on 8/25/2002, 3:42 pm , in reply to "Oops "Is combat arms OSUT harder than average BCT?"" 198.81.16.59 Dan:OSUT is a little harder (not quite the Hell combat arms people would have you believe). There is a certain amount of pride in the OSUT jobs (Inf, Arty, Armor, maybe Engineers & MP's) because they are taught usually by people in that MOS. It seems unfair to me, because the desk jockeys and REMF's (ask your dad) get to change locations after basic, while you keep the same drill sergeants and pretty much the same restrictions as you did during "basic" ( I couldn't tell when basic ended and AIT began). The good news is: your OSUT will be over much quicker and you'll get to your first duty station months sooner than your chairborne compatriots. And waiting for you there will be a nice, fat enlistment bonus check (less about 1/3 for taxes)Don't worry; I've been through OSUT twice; Infantry at Benning & Arty at Ft. Sill. They won't ask anything of you that you can't do; they take soft, video game playing couch potatoes and force them out of their comfort zone. Millions of people have gone through this before you, and almost everyone who WANTS to finish will finish. Read "Boot" by DelaCruz; although it's about USMC basic, it will help you. Also, "Mud Soldiers", which takes you through Infantry OSUT and then permanent duty at Ft. Riley. Good luck Gun Bunny! Boot is a good book, from a trainees veiwpoint. Posted by RAM on 8/25/2002, 3:57 pm , in reply to "Oops "Is combat arms OSUT harder than average BCT?"" 216.78.31.106 Boot is an excellent biographic account of a recruit going through basic training at Parris Island MCRD. Highly recommended.(ONLY after you have read RT's book! :-)) Re: Boot is a good book, from a trainees veiwpoint. Posted by Sgt. Mike on 8/25/2002, 6:02 pm , in reply to "Boot is a good book, from a trainees veiwpoint." 205.188.208.166 "Boot" is a little idealized (sort of like the History channel's version of Army basic). A more realistic one is "Mud Soldiers", and it deals with Army OSUT and their first year in permanent party. Bringing issued uniforms to basic Posted by RAM on 8/25/2002, 3:36 pm 216.78.31.106 I am in the national guard, and have already received a clothing bag issue from the regiment AG. Should I bring the BDU's and pt uniforms to basic? They don't have any insignia, other than the nametape, Could I use those as back-up uniforms, when the others become too foul? Also, I wear a 12/4E boot, which had to be special ordered. Could I at least bring those, since reception isn't likely to have those on stock? They are, after all army issue. Thanks Re: Bringing issued uniforms to basic Posted by 95B on 8/25/2002, 6:06 pm , in reply to "Bringing issued uniforms to basic" 205.188.208.166 I was told not to bring my uniform with me to Basic,so i didnt. They issue you new winter and summer BDU's along with new PT uniforms. I wouldnt even bother taking them with you. The boots I am not so sure about. Reserve and National Guard Posted by Al on 8/25/2002, 6:17 pm 24.128.133.13 I have had one question nagging me for a while...What's the differance between the Army Reserve and the Army National Guard?? Re: Reserve and National Guard Posted by Mike C. on 8/25/2002, 9:59 pm , in reply to "Reserve and National Guard" 32.100.98.103 The National Guard works for the state, and the Army reserve works for the national government. Re: Reserve and National Guard Posted by Romulusguy on 8/25/2002, 10:19 pm , in reply to "Re: Reserve and National Guard" 4.60.37.147 Thats kinda true. The national guard works for the government on both a federal AND state level. For the most part, you work for the state, but as in every major conflict the US has ever fought in, Guard units are called up and work on a federal level. This is also why an officer in the guard is recognised in both the ARNG and the ARMY.-Romulusguy question about PT tests Posted by AG on 8/25/2002, 6:38 pm 67.251.176.154 I was told that you only have to pass your PT tests with a 50% or 50 points, what exactly does that mean? Re: question about PT tests Posted by 74Bravo on 8/25/2002, 6:50 pm , in reply to "question about PT tests" 24.154.94.9 you have to pass with at least scoring 50% on each part...situps, pushups and the 2 mile run for a total of 150. 74Bravo Re: question about PT tests Posted by AG on 8/25/2002, 6:56 pm , in reply to "Re: question about PT tests" 67.251.176.154 So what you are saying is if my age group says I have to do 19 pushups and I try like hell but am still only able to do 10, I can still pass? Also does this mean if I am a minuet too slow for the 2 mile run I can still pass my final PT test? Thanks Re: question about PT tests Posted by 74Bravo on 8/25/2002, 7:01 pm , in reply to "Re: question about PT tests" 24.154.94.9 No...you must score at LEAST 50% on each item...there is no carrying of points to the next element...therefore..if you have to do 19 to score a 50% and you only do 10, you fail...also if you do 19 and you only needed 10, that would mean you just did better on that element of the testing. By the end of your training cycle you should have absolutely no problems passing your final APFT to graduate Basic...barrin injuries, which would likely end up a push back to the next class graduating to give you time to recover and get 'back into shape'..I have heard though they may also take a previous score and set that as your final if you passed a previous one, but again, I would think they would recyle you back a class for healing purposes so they weren't shipping an injured soldier to their AIT course. 74Bravo basic comparison (different services) Posted by thadbme on 8/25/2002, 10:22 pm 207.144.215.11 Hi, Awile back i was looking for a book that had information about basic training... luckily i stumbled across this book. However there is a key difference in what i was looking for. I'm going to the air force... just a bit curious if anyone had info on some of the differences.. (besides the obvious, AF basic is shorter). I expect there to still be tremendous challenge and i'm trying to get prepared per this book... just trying to see whats different... thanks ahead of time! Re: basic comparison (different services) Posted by RAM on 8/26/2002, 12:03 am , in reply to "basic comparison (different services)" 216.78.28.140 Go to about.com. There is brief descrption of air force BMT at Lackland AFB.(all air force basic training is conducted there, so if you go air force, you will go there)If you want more info, go to the message board there and ask Rod Powers. He will know where to locate more info. A lot of the guys in my ARNG unit are ex-air force, and have been through both bt programs, and say other than more classes and less field training, and better barracks, it really isn't that much more lax. I hear their in-processing is more efficient, with less hold-over times as well. Hope that helped. Do you get a "yearbook" at the end of BCT? Posted by Randal C. Jarrell on 8/26/2002, 5:08 pm 66.69.200.113 I was in a used bookstore the other day and came accross an Airforce "yearbook" for a class graduating from Basic at Lackland AFB. Does the Army do this? Do you get any type of photographic history of your time at Basic? Re: Do you get a "yearbook" at the end of BCT? Posted by Angela :) on 8/26/2002, 5:22 pm , in reply to "Do you get a "yearbook" at the end of BCT?" 216.202.13.3 Oh yes, they most definitely do, I am happy I will definitely buy several. It's very much like a yearbook with highlights from different aspects of basic training makes a great gift for family members of your experience. If you want a little bit more info on it I would suggest going to the Ft. Jackson website and looking under basic training there will be a section about families with instructions for them when it comes time for graduation. I think it's under the FAQ's you'll find a little info on the "yearbook" and also about videotapes of the graduation ceremony. Hope this helps. Re: Do you get a "yearbook" at the end of BCT? Posted by TK on 8/27/2002, 11:10 am , in reply to "Re: Do you get a "yearbook" at the end of BCT?" 67.24.186.58 You will be bombarded with a thousand different things to remeber your basic training experience by. Books, video tapes, pictures both individual and platoon. I assure you there will be no shortage of memoribilia to buy from the Army when the time comes. (no subject) Posted by tim r on 8/27/2002, 9:31 am 64.12.96.107 This may seem silly,but what is the difference between an e-4 specialist and an e-4 corporal? Re: (no subject) Posted by Mike C. on 8/27/2002, 10:36 am , in reply to "(no subject)" 65.161.170.165 A Specialist is an E-4, as well as a Corporal. This is just when it comes to pay that they are the same. A Corporal is considered a junior Non Comissioned Officer. He has added responsibility over a Specialist for no added pay. Basically, it is more work for the same pay. not physically capable... Posted by jackie on 8/27/2002, 2:08 pm 64.12.96.107 What if your MOS is VERY physically demanding? I want to keep the job (aircraft powertrain repairer) but I don't know if I am physically capable of carrying out the demands of the job. Would they have to change my MOS? Or would they find a way so that it would work out for me? Re: not physically capable... Posted by Mike C. on 8/27/2002, 4:21 pm , in reply to "not physically capable..." 65.161.170.16 You must take into consideration, that you will almost never do heavy lifting by yourself. It would be a violation of safety regs to do so. You will be fine. Things as complex as aircraft parts are usually lifted with an electric winch or a fork lift anyway. The Army doesn't want you droping something heavy on your foot just as bad as you are concerned with being able to lift heavy parts. Jobs that will require that type of lifting are usually done as a team effort. Don't worry. I think it is a cool kind of job. Think of the employment chances when you get out of the Army. If at worst, you really could not do the job, then you might be able to put in for a reclass to another MOS. I wouldn't give it too much thought, though. You'll be fine. My wife is a power generation mechanic and she has no problems with that kind of thing. If she can do it, then so can you. Good luck and try your best to enjoy it. Sweated those bastards out. Posted by Dean on 8/27/2002, 2:22 pm 66.52.248.12 hehe I finally got it. 11X/airborne option/stationed in Europe. hell yea!! MEPS tried to get me to pick every MOS under the sun except the one I wanted. Finally walked out for the second time and got a new counselor and he offered me anything I wanted and where ever I wanted it at. I leave for FT. Benning Jan. 2nd. 2003.. anyone else?well thanks for the advice about sticking to your guns.. it deffinately paid off.. MEPS can be hell, especially at the end of a fiscal year and counselors have a stack of all the crappy jobs left and quota's to be meet.thxDean 31F Network Switching Operator/Maintainer Posted by Angela :) on 8/27/2002, 4:31 pm 216.202.13.3 I know alot of people have their doubts about their MOS, I am having mine. I really don't want to try and change it because it changes my BCT date, bonus, first duty station and all that. But I have read several descriptions about my MOS and I still don't have a freakin' clue as to what I will be doing. I'd appreciate any info or encouragement. Re: 31F Network Switching Operator/Maintainer Posted by Mike C. on 8/27/2002, 4:54 pm , in reply to "31F Network Switching Operator/Maintainer" 65.161.170.16 My neighbor was a 31F and just moved. He did all kinds of stuff from setting up single computers in an office, to helping design the III Corps website, to setting up a LAN between a couple of units for a training exercise. He even acted as an operator while out in the field. I wish I could tell you more, but I can tell you one thing. He was an E-5 and just got out of the Army to start at a job doing the same thing he did in the Army for 60K a year to start. For that kind of money, I don't care if the job requires me to shovel s*t. I just know his job was not the same thing every day, and that sounds like a good thing to me. security clearance questions Posted by reta on 8/27/2002, 5:40 pm 205.188.209.37 Does 95B ( Military Police) require a security clearance?? some people say yes and others say no?!? so which is it? Re: security clearance questions Posted by AT on 8/27/2002, 9:36 pm , in reply to "security clearance questions" 67.24.184.238 most mos's require some sort of clearance. I'm a 63B light wheel mech and I had to get security clearance. It was not a big deal at all for me and my sec. interview lasted all of a couple of minutes. Talk to a recruiter, but as long as you have no law violations or something else extraordinary it should not be a problem, and there are always waivers for just about everything. Re: security clearance questions Posted by Mike C. on 8/27/2002, 10:34 pm , in reply to "Re: security clearance questions" 65.161.170.178 As an MP you will need a confidential clearance. It is the lowest type of clearance you can get. It is basically you signing a form that says you will keep your mouth shut if by chance you hear or see some type of information that we would not want our enemies to see or hear about. As your recruiter about it. He or she will be able to explain it better than I. Reserve and Drill Posted by newb on 8/27/2002, 5:59 pm 12.91.171.178 If I'm in the army reserve, is it alright to miss weekend drill? My concern is that I'm on my college basketball team, and it would pretty much be impossible to go back home a drill during January and Febuary. What are the rules about missing/resheduling drill? I realize that I wouldn't get paid for that month, but could I end up getting court marshalled? Re: Reserve and Drill Posted by 95B on 8/27/2002, 6:30 pm , in reply to "Reserve and Drill" 205.188.208.166 You can STA (split training assembly) for the drills that you are going to miss, that means you HAVE to make up the time you missed and there are dates that you have to make them up by, but that is up to your home station. Make sure you contact your section SGT to ensure you are cleared for the STA dates. YOU MUST inform your platoon or section SGT PRIOR to drill. Failure to do so will result in you being recorded as AWOL, and will not be changed without the consent of the company commander. going active Posted by PFC Smithick on 8/27/2002, 6:02 pm 12.91.171.178 I'm planning on leaving the reserve and going to active duty and I've got some questions1) Is it possible to change MOS even though I still have about four years left on my reserve commitment2) Is it possible to get a European station? (no subject) Posted by RAM on 8/27/2002, 6:49 pm , in reply to "going active" 209.215.52.54 Are you planning to get a release from your reserve unit, or is your enlistment term up? Well, either way, your contract will be terminated, and your new contract will be completely re-negociable. It is actually very common for reservists to enlist active duty into new MOS's. Two problems you may encounter: 1- if you are in a position for which there is a shortage in your unit, or if you haven't served at least two years with your reserve unit, they may deny your request for a release. ( Since your reserve component paid for your IET, they like you to stick around long enough to get their money's woth out of you.) 2- the active duty recruiter does not get points against his enlistment quota for prior service applicants, so depending how busy he is, he could put you on the back burner to all the NPS guys he is enlisting. The first step in this process is to go to a active army recruiter and have him fill out a conditional release form. I would do this ASAP, if you think your unit will release you. It usually takes three to six months for them to be approved. About Europe, since you will be enlisting like any one else, I am sure there is some way you can request stationing there. Mike C. knows of a personel assignment website where you can request duty station directly, and you may want to check that out. Rod Powers at about.com has an entire section on getting off of reserve status to go active duty, and I would check there as well. Hope I helped. Re: going active Posted by Mike C. on 8/27/2002, 10:28 pm , in reply to "going active" 65.161.170.178 It is dificult to change your MOS to come onto active duty. There is a chance that you can, but don't count on it. You should check out AR 601-210. It explains the rules on coming in in a new MOS. When I came out of the reserves, I had to go onto active duty at my original MOS. I was also told that the only assignment that I could get was Korea. While at the inprocessing station, I got with a strength management guy who changed my assignment to Germany. I served in my MOS for just over a year and put in to change to 11B. I got it and the rest is history. Good luck with it. Just do your homework and hopefully, you will get what you want. joining up Posted by student on 8/27/2002, 8:54 pm 12.91.172.185 I'm currently starting my sophmore year of college and I'd like to join the army. Is there some way I can get basic training and AIT out of the way right now. I'm thinking of doing "split option". Can my reserve stop me from going active because I haven't spent enough time in the reserves? Does the army offer any better way to get basic out the way, and go active when you graduate Re: joining up Posted by AE on 8/27/2002, 9:34 pm , in reply to "joining up" 67.24.184.238 I am a junior in college and will be attending BCT and AIT during what would be my second semester of this year. I chose to do this because I got an off peak ship bonus of $2000 and to me it was worth it to just "get it out of the way and done with" I decided to join the national guard because they had the best benefits for college, and I am not really up on what the reserves has to offer instead, but I would imagine that it would be easier to go active from the reserves than the guard. You should talk to a recruiter about that one THEY REALLY CAN BE HELPFUL!!!As far as split option...if you are joining the army for the college benefits you must be mos qualified to get any kicker that may come with your enlistment so getting it all done at once like me may be your better option, but then again if you really want to stay on track with school split option may be for you it all depends on the individual.If you are dead set on finishing school you may want to consider thinking about the national guard instead becuase they have a slightly smaller chance of getting activated during this time in the world but that too depends on your MOS.It is my understanding that with the world events being as they are currently that activation of Reserves is very possible and if fact I have been told that my guard unit may be activated soon.Talk to a few recruiters and get all the info before you decideGOOD LUCK ON WHATEVER YOU DECIDE Re: joining up Posted by RAM on 8/27/2002, 11:11 pm , in reply to "Re: joining up" 216.78.28.125 Yes.....your reserve unit can stop you from going active duty. You can't just transfer to active duty, so to speak. If you want to go active duty after signing a contract in the reserves, you must go to an active army recruiter and have him fill out a request for a conditional release from your reserve contract. (the "condition" being that you are going active duty) If you haven't been in your unit at least 2 years, they usually deny the request.( the reserve component you are in pays for your enitial entry training, and wants to get it's money's worth.) If you do a good job, many times full-time positions become available with your reserve unit, depending on it's size and function. This provides the dual benefit of being paid on the active-duty basis, while staying in your home town, so you could take some night classes. Most of the full timers at my unit work 08:00-16:00, and have pretty comfy desk jobs. pre-training Posted by MCL on 8/28/2002, 3:26 pm 144.13.6.10 What is the best physical training that I can be doing to prepare for BCT? Also, what do they do to you at MEPS? Re: pre-training Posted by 74Bravo on 8/28/2002, 3:45 pm , in reply to "pre-training" 24.154.94.9 Running (start with the 30/30...walk 30 seconds..run 30 seconds..see http://www.runnersworld.com for more info on this), pushups...lots of pushups...situps...lots of situps...basically, cario 3 days a week, and muscular 3 days a week...for the 7th day..rest. At least once a week..for muscular..take it to the point you can no longer push yourself..ie muscle failure. MEPS:1 blood work2 urinalysis3 eye test4 hearing test5 ortho (this is where you will hear the term duck walk..basically checking to make sure you can perform the basics of movement)6 Doctor review (Males: Doctor will give you a hernia check, have you bend over and spread'em (females...someone can fill this in here..but basically the same from what I have heard/read) and look at your ears, throat, and teeth) Failure, or DQ's can occur at any station and may require a Consult with a military contracted doctor...like for my eyes, and ear drum. grr* no biggie though..nothing to be nervous about, or get over anxious..it's over in a few hours...and good for 2 years...or so I've heard...also..when there is a sign posted that says no talking, or no ...please be courtious..and follow the rules). 74Bravo Re: pre-training Posted by moss on 8/29/2002, 12:31 am , in reply to "Re: pre-training" 65.26.22.81 after you finish the physical and you get to the hotel or home wash your feet i ended up with patches of little red bumps on my feet Re: pre-training Posted by 74Bravo on 8/30/2002, 9:22 pm , in reply to "Re: pre-training" 24.154.94.9 I would suggest that you take some wet-wipes that contain alcohol and you wipe your feet after the ortho portion of the physical. You could also take some foot soap with you and visit the bathroom and actually wash your feet after your ortho exam...the wetwipes are faster and more convenient for the time being, but I agree...when you get home/motel give your piggies a good scrubbing. gotta ? Posted by ralph on 8/28/2002, 4:31 pm 208.35.87.182 Say I want to go to basic soon, but a school that I want isn't open until like March or April...Will they just put me somewhere in limbo between basic and AIT or will I have to wait and go to BCT closer to when the opening for the school? Re: gotta ? Posted by medic91w on 9/1/2002, 7:23 pm , in reply to "gotta ?" 64.12.96.168 you will probably have to wait to go to basic..When I was goign to be a firefighter the AIT was open until august ( i think) so I couldn't leave for BCT until april Time on my contract between BCT and AIT Posted by Angela on 8/28/2002, 4:42 pm 216.202.13.3 I will have about a week from my calculations between graduating BCT and AIT. I am just curious what one normally does when there is a break like that. And of course I had a good question earlier but now my mind is as blank as this white background. Re: Time on my contract between BCT and AIT Posted by 74Bravo on 8/28/2002, 5:03 pm , in reply to "Time on my contract between BCT and AIT" 24.154.94.9 I had 5 days between BCT and AIT in 92..shipped from Ft. Jackson to Ft. Gordon...time was spent at the R&P listening to people drive by screaming "NEWBIE!!" as they passed... Some of your time will probably be spent the same, inprocess into the new base, then you are marched to your new company...your milage may vary, however, it'll likely be close to the same...I also noted my time between the two and thought maybe we would be allowed to go home for a weekend, or some such..but no dice. Maybe things have changed...*shrug Laundry Service Posted by Angela on 8/29/2002, 12:28 pm 216.202.13.3 Finally I remembered the question I had. I have been hearing about a laundry service that one can pay for during BCT. Or you can choose to do your own laundry. I am just curious as to how well is the service, pros and cons, is it worth it to pay someone else to do your laundry? Thanks. Re: Laundry Service Posted by AG on 8/29/2002, 1:25 pm , in reply to "Laundry Service" 67.250.200.108 My recruiter told me that while he was in basic he paid for that service to be done and that it was worth every penny. Not only did he save much needed time, but he always looked sharp, hope this helps. Re: Laundry Service Posted by Sgt. Mike on 8/29/2002, 2:38 pm , in reply to "Re: Laundry Service" 205.188.208.166 I read Marck's postings on www.freeopendiary (he's in basic @ Ft. Knox). He says it costs $106, but is worth it!!! Time and washing machines are at a premium. They also have this service when you get to your duty station (it's called quartermaster laundry). They don't starch, but they are clean & pressed, so you always look PRETTY good. (BTW, you should own at least 2 extra uniforms, because neither service is "one hour Martinizing; you'll have to wait a few days, and service is slower on weekends & holidays) Re: Laundry Service Posted by RT on 8/29/2002, 3:52 pm , in reply to "Re: Laundry Service" 68.64.26.247 To clarify, during BT, most folks use Quartermaster to send out their uniforms to get done (basically the whole company does this; it's highly encouraged). Soldiers then use the washers/dryers in the barracks to do their PT uniforms, underwear, socks...although some do send their underwear and socks out to Quartermaster...but I've seen too many folks get someone else's underwear for my liking..but, if that doesn't bother you, then go for it! Also, no you won't buy any additional uniforms at BT. Re: Laundry Service Posted by Sgt Mike on 8/29/2002, 7:49 pm , in reply to "Re: Laundry Service" 198.81.26.167 As I stated in the earlier posting, laundry for Marck cost $106 for BCT at Ft. Knox (Clean the wax out of your ears, trainee!!! You'd better learn to listen, or you're in for a world of hurt!!! Now drop & give me 20!!!) Just kidding, but expect a lot of that!!!Also, don't expect too much from the clothing allowance; Army people used to get about $240 a year on the anniversary of their enlistment. But the first year, you get only half that (your uni's are new, so shouldn't require that much care & maintenance). On your 3rd anniversary, it goes up about 50% (but it's not going to put you in a higher tax bracker). And it may be broken down into monthly installments, so you may no notice it. WARNING!!! It does take away all your excuses; when your 1st line supervisor asks why your boot heels are worn, you have no unit insignia on your BDU field jacket, or no current rank on your dress greens, DO NOT expect to be able to use "I don't have any money, sarge" as an excuse. THAT'S WHAT THE CLOTHING ALLOWANCE IS FOR!!!!!!!!! You will almost always spend more for cleaning, repair & replacement than you get, so you best bet is save the receipts, as it is tax deductible. PS: RT is right; you can't get extra BDU's while in BCT (where, ironically, you need them most) but you can order them, complete with the more professional embroidered name tapes, from WWW.supertrooper.com before AIT or your 1st duty station. PPS: One item left off most packing lists is an indelible (sharpie) marker. Put your name & last 4 of your SSN on everything, even undies, shoes & socks. Our comrades don't steal, but they will "borrow" in a pinch. personal items at AIT Posted by AG on 8/29/2002, 1:36 pm 67.250.200.108 I know that at basic personal items such as CDs, books, and such are not allowed, but how about at AIT? Are we allowed to listen to music, or to look at magazines? Re: personal items at AIT Posted by 74Bravo on 8/29/2002, 5:16 pm , in reply to "Re: personal items at AIT" 24.154.94.9 When I went from BCT -> AIT, we were still under the watchful eye of the DS's till fourth phase was completed. We were not allowed to wear civs till after the 4th phase, and wore PT and BDU till that time. We were allowed to have radios, however, they must be secured in wall lockers, and were not allowed to be played after 2100, and before 0700..which stunk as I was on mids classes, therefore, I got home AFTER 2100 and at 0700, we had just gotten nice and snug, as we got home ~0400 and well..free time then sleep. Magazines were pretty much the same, they were to be looked at during free time, and NO porno's... 74Bravo Access to computers on weeks? Posted by PB4UGO on 8/30/2002, 10:39 am 24.138.30.244 OK just a little humor with the user name. Now a serious question. I always pay my bills online so I am wondering if we will have access to computers pay our bills during boot camp? Re: Access to computers on weeks? Posted by Angela on 8/30/2002, 11:14 am , in reply to "Access to computers on weeks?" 216.202.13.3 Nope, sorry, we don't get that luxury. . So in order to pay your bills I would say set up an amount that will be taken out of your account for each bill. And make sure that you have some income going into that account i.e. your army paycheck. Is the National Guard worth the effort of joining? Posted by Thinking on 8/30/2002, 7:43 pm 66.32.224.136 Hey I was about to join the Army National Guard then I found out that the artillery unit I was planning on drilling out of hasn't been mobilized for overseas duty since Korea. Now I'm not some nut who prays for war, but if the guard just sits around and looks pretty on some Pentagon ledger doing nothing more than directing traffic during an occasional flood then whats the point of joining up? I mean I don't WANT to go to war but its alot to go through just to join some weekend warrior social club. Sorry if this seems disrespectful, it just kind of shocked me how little the guard gets used. Re: Is the National Guard worth the effort of joining? Posted by RAM on 8/30/2002, 9:29 pm , in reply to "Is the National Guard worth the effort of joining?" 216.78.28.181 For me, the opportunity to serve our local communities in times of civil emergencies is a benefit of serving in the NG. We don't just "direct traffic", so to speak. My paticular unit, for example, is close to the remote mountain areas of east Tennessee. Many times, members of our cavalry regiment have been called upon to deliver badly needed medical supplies to elderly people during bad snow storms, who happen to live in areas that are inaccessable during winter weather. Also, we help communities re-build their homes and provide temporary shelter and food for folks who wouldn't have the means to obtain such aid otherwise. We also participate in numerous charities and fund-raisers throughout the year. I enjoy being able to give back to the community who's taxes pay my wages. Such deeds foster good-will and support from the community towards the National Guard, and the military as a whole. This "one-on-one" interaction with the civilian population is unique to the guard, and as old a tradition as serving in a wartime capacity. As far as your unit's deployment history, that has little effect on it's potential to be called up. The command looks at many different factors: mainly your particular unit's strength and readiness, and wether or not it has been through the NTC program. Just think of your joining as making your unit one step closer to being "full strength" in the eyes of the command. Best of luck in your decision. Re: Is the National Guard worth the effort of joining? Posted by Mi e C. on 9/2/2002, 12:38 pm , in reply to "Is the National Guard worth the effort of joining?" 32.100.98.119 The National Guard is worth joining if you want to serve your state. My last unit was called up to rescue flood victims in Texas. We went to Bosnia a year ago and will be going to NTC in November. There are units that will go nowhere and do nothing, and there will be units that do all kinds of stuff. If you were to go Arty, then you can expect to do nothing. An Infantry unit might do more, but there is counter-drug operations, long range recon, and a number of other jobs that are good in the Guard. Most states have great college payment programs for serving in the Guard. I've been taking college classes here in Texas for a couple of years and have not had to spend a penny. I'm in a unit where I'm a Texas Guardsman assigned to an active duty unit. I work for the state of Texas as a liason with the active Army. I go to the field with them, go to the same schools as them, and deploy with them in times of war or training like JRTC, and NTC. If you live near an Army base, it might be worth checking out. If I were you and wanted to look at the Guard, then go on your states Guard website and look for a unit that has more deployment potential. I'll be going to NTC in November and Kosovo in May. There are some good jobs out there, you just have to do your homework to find one. entry level separation packet Posted by Anonymous on 8/30/2002, 8:38 pm 66.38.33.168 My husband has gotten a els because of medical reasons he was still in reception at Ft Benning,it has now been 3 weeks going on 4 he needs to be under doctors care and he thought he would get his packet this past week but didnt....does anyone know how long this takes and what the packet is?as of today he has been gone 36 daysany information would really help me!!!Thank you Re: entry level separation packet Posted by RT on 8/31/2002, 1:22 pm , in reply to "entry level separation packet" 68.64.26.247 If your husband got out on a medical, he should've gotten an EPTS. These can take awhile..I've seen them take 1-2 months. It all depends on how many others they are processing at the time...lots of paperwork, etc.. Rest assured, your husband is already under a doctor's care while he is on post, so he is probably just bored as anything and being kept busy with gopher-type work. He'll be home before you know it:-)) Failing AIT Posted by Prof. Peabody on 8/30/2002, 9:43 pm 198.81.26.175 Call it last minute jitters, but I'm worried about finishing AIT. Part of my training requirement is Airborne school. What if I flunk out? Will I have any choices if I'm physicaly unable to finish jump school? Will I be allowed to try again? How many times? PS: I'll be 35 by BCT. WHAT was I thinking? Someone Answer this guy! Posted by considering airborne on 8/30/2002, 10:24 pm , in reply to "Failing AIT" 12.91.170.77 Don't worry about the physical element to any of the training. If you train regularly (just regularly...don't worry too much about intensity), you will make it. I've got the some questions about airborne school. How hard is it? And what if you can't make yourself do a jump? I'm not scared of hieghts, but jumping out of a plane would be rough. What happens if you can't do it? would anyone like to talk about what life was like at airborn school. Re: Someone Answer this guy! Posted by RT on 8/31/2002, 1:26 pm , in reply to "Someone Answer this guy!" 68.64.26.247 There is so much repetition in jump school, all the things you have to do will be second nature by the time you jump out of the real thing. It's natural to get jitters before going! Jumping out of a plane is not a natural thing! EVERYONE gets scared..if you are not scared, then you shouldn't be up there to begin with. Depending on why you fail jump school (there are quite a few folks who just get injured..I'm talking small things, like spraining an ankle and such), you could get recycled into the next class. If for whatever reason you're just not hacking it and not able to keep up, you'll just go on without airborne..as long as you aren't going to an airborne unit, it shouldn't affect any future assignments. Re: Someone Answer this guy! Posted by Prof. Peabody on 8/31/2002, 5:32 pm , in reply to "Re: Someone Answer this guy!" 198.81.26.167 Therein lies the rub (been dying to say that!).My MOS & 1st duty station (92R/Ft. Bragg) REQUIRE airborne status. WHAT WAS I THINKING? I'll be 35 by the time I leave for basic. I never doubted I could finish basic, but jump school...will I have another meeting with a career counselor, or will I be assigned "to the needs of the Army?" Re: Someone Answer this guy! Posted by RT on 9/1/2002, 8:39 am , in reply to "Re: Someone Answer this guy!" 68.64.26.247 Please be positive! If you can do the PT in basic, you'll do fine at jump school. Look at the millions that have gone thru before you! Rest assured that the Army will teach you step-by-step and hammer it into your brain. You won't show up and then jump out of a plane a few days later. Follow the link to airborne school on my resources page. Read what they do each week...that should make you more confident. Have confidence in yourself. I've known LTCs who were "old" who went through jump school! If you are in decent shape and just 'go with the flow' of what they are teaching you, you will do fine. Most folks are TERRIFIED going to jump school..it's normal. If for some reason you don't make jump school (most people do graduate), you'll be assigned to a slot in your MOS that does not require being airborne. Chances are you would not get Ft Bragg then, you'd be assigned to the needs of the Army at the time..in your current MOS. Re: Someone Answer this guy! Posted by Mike C. on 9/2/2002, 11:13 am , in reply to "Re: Someone Answer this guy!" 32.100.98.119 Don't worry about Airborne School. I went through at 18 and was in a class of about 400. At least 50 of those were over 30. We even a couple guys and 1 woman over 40. All of them made it. You can make it too. I'm 33 and will have to go through refresher training in about 9 months. That means I'll have to jump again then. I'm more worried about competing with a bunch of kids than I am with failing. you can do it and will go on to an elite unit with a bunch of great history. Just think about how good it will feel when you get through it. Physically, the school is tough, but not that bad. Basic and AIT will get you prepared for it just fine. As far as falling from the sky on a chute is concerned, don't worry about it. The ride down is suprisingly quick. Like RT pointed out, everything is repeated so much that you will will have it firmly placed in your brain when you hit Jump week. Have fun with it. You can do it! Please trust me on this. Just work on your running now and you will do fine. BCT/ITB ? Posted by Lisa on 9/2/2002, 12:11 am 205.188.209.37 My boyfriend is at Ft. Benning for 14 weeks...and I assumed he was in BCT, but he told me he's in ITB and it's a lot harder. What is he talking about...I thought everyone went through basic. If you could clear this up for me, that would be great... Thanks! Re: BCT/ITB ? Posted by Mike C. on 9/2/2002, 12:14 pm , in reply to "BCT/ITB ?" 32.100.98.119 ITB simply means Infantry Training Brigade. It is the same thing as basic, but because he's there going through it he might just think it's harder than other basic training posts. They all teach the same skills. The only difference is that if he's training for an Infantry MOS, it might be a little tougher than some other MOS's because they are mixing basic and AIT stuff all into that 14 weeks. I went through Infantry basic and AIT at Harmony Church, Ft Benning. I personally believe it was tougher than what others go through, but I'm biased and he probably is too. There is a certain sense of pride to go through training at Benning. It is the home of the Infantry. Honor grad Posted by James on 9/2/2002, 1:46 am 198.81.26.175 I heard that the honor grad for BCT got an accelerated promotion. Is this just an old wive's tale? If you go in as an E-2, would that get you E-3?I don't want to sound arrogant, but I would like to be in the running for honor grad. What do they look for? Re: Honor grad Posted by Mike C. on 9/2/2002, 11:48 am , in reply to "Honor grad" 32.100.98.119 It is not an old wives tale. Many training units offer this as a reward to the most distinguished recruit of that training cycle. They look for the person that gets first time go's on all tasks, as well as the highest pt test score, best atitude, most motivated, and most eager to help their fellow recruits. It is a bunch of factors really, but it is worth striving for. Basic Training Posted by Foster on 9/2/2002, 7:34 am 12.222.128.142 I leave for FT Jackson June 1st 2003, Iam a senior who just enlisted In the National Guard(ILL.) Iam really scared about basic, I mean the physical part of it, but also, I have never been away form home for that long with epople in my face. Iam really nervious about running. Re: Basic Training Posted by 74Bravo on 9/2/2002, 11:23 am , in reply to "Basic Training" 24.154.94.9 First off...CONGRATS on your enlistment! During your Senior year, you should make every effort to become involved with any and all sports (either scholastic, or extracuricular) so as to get into shape, and increase your endurance, as well as your stamina. Along with any physical sports you should also make an effort to get out on your own to further your abilities...push yourself, but don't over do it and get injured. Again, congrats on your enlistment, and good luck this coming year in school...get good grades, buckle down, graduate, and drive on...HOOAH! 74Bravo no subject) Posted by Mike C. on 9/2/2002, 11:40 am , in reply to "Basic Training" 32.100.98.119 Don't worry about it. You will do fine. I was in the same boat as you when I first enlisted. It is an adventure that you will be going on. You got some good advice already. Do your best to get in good shape before you go. As far as being away from home is concerned, it will be ok. You will be lonely and homesick, but it passes. You will make friends that will be closer in some ways than family. You'll see what I'm talking about later. People will be in your face, so get used to that fact now. Just remember to keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut, and you will learn from others mistakes. Your enlistment is a big step in becoming an adult. Good for you! You seem well grounded and smart. Don't worry about the fears you might have about the future. Millions have been there before you (including me) and millions will come after you. Do your best this year and good job on your choice to enlist. You should look into the SMP program while you are in college. Again, good luck with your future. intel jobs availability Posted by Angela on 9/2/2002, 12:10 pm 64.12.96.107 I should be going to MEPS this week or next. I am wanting to get a job in intel and can't go to basic until January. Anyone tried to get an intel job lately--are they available?Angela Re: intel jobs availability Posted by 74Bravo on 9/2/2002, 12:19 pm , in reply to "intel jobs availability" 24.154.94.9 Should you find they have no openings in your decided upon field, you can always request they either locate something in that field (always dropsouts in BCT, medical discharges, etc) so a slot should be able to be located, OR...depending on your rush, since you state you cannot ship till next year anyhow, wait till FY03 opens on Oct 1. At that time, all jobs in the Army are supposed to again be accepting fillings to backfill open slots. Just something to think about...good luck at MEPS, and don't sign a contract if it does not fulfill your ideals and goals. 74Bravo Initial issue of uniforms Posted by Angela on 9/2/2002, 2:39 pm 24.126.197.230 I remember seeing something on the internet which lists what we will be issued during BCT as part of our initial issue of uniforms. Now I can't find it anywhere, does anyone know of a website with that list. I can find the one for Air Force but hey I'm not Air Force! Re: Initial issue of uniforms Posted by 74Bravo on 9/2/2002, 2:50 pm , in reply to "Initial issue of uniforms" 24.154.94.9 http://www.rozellewebs.com/terry/chris/ This was from Chris's letters home at http://www.armybasic.homestead.com/basic.html Here is what was contained in the issues items from R&P: 2 BDUs pants and jacket (summer)2 BDUs pants and jacket (winter)2 BDU field jackets (heavy coats)2 BDU caps: 1 summer, 1 winter2 PT sweatshirts and pants, gray with ARMY on front3 PT shorts and shirts2 pairs long john pants and shirts7 brown undershirts7 brown briefs2 pairs black leather boots6 pairs black wool socks6 pairs black dress socks1 pair black leather gloves. 2 wool liners.3 towels2 washcloths 74Bravo Spit Shine 101... Posted by 74Bravo on 9/2/2002, 2:47 pm 24.154.94.9 For those that are preparing to leave for BCT anytime in the near future, I thought I would post a link to give an idea of how to obtain a spit shine on your soon (or eventually) to be issues footwear... Note that when I went through BCT in 1992 our DS's were always challenging us to out shine them, however, we were also told that our boots should only be semi gloss (note, not parade glossy, or mirror shined) and in good looking condition..aka no obvious scuffs. This site has some good info on it, and I recommend you stick with Kiwi. It's the most readily available and is what is recommended by most DS's. I also recommend you practice now with some shoes that can use some shining to get a good technique down so you can make the most of your 'free' time. Also note that once you get a good shine going, keep it up. You can only improve upon your base layer. now for the promised link. http://www.genderweb.org/~boyzone/boot.html Have fun, keep heads high, listen to what your told by your DS's..and speak only when required! 74Bravo Re: Spit Shine 101... Posted by PB4UGO on 9/2/2002, 7:28 pm , in reply to "Spit Shine 101..." 24.138.30.244 Here is another great link to spit shining bootshttp://www.codeseven.net/spitshine.htm Questions about shoe size and BRM qualification Posted by RAM on 9/3/2002, 1:48 am 216.78.29.200 A couple of questions here; First, I wear a 124E shoe. Is reception pretty good about fitting people with weird shoe sizes? If worse comes to worse I can wear a 13EE, but I'll be floppin' around like Ronald McDonald, and I will inevitably destroy the boots from the awkward fit, and it would be extremely uncomfortable. My second question concerns BRM. I'm left-handed, but I am dominant in my right eye. It was never an issue on pistol ranges, because I could easily maintain a left-handed grip and aim with my right eye. I have used a left-handed stance with a shotgun and qualified on police ranges while aiming with my left eye.( you have to be a blithering idiot to miss a 25m target with a shotgun, unless you're blind),but hitting at 100m+ with a rifle is a totally different story. Has any one had this problem? Any info would be much appreciated! Re: Questions about shoe size and BRM qualification Posted by RT on 9/3/2002, 9:03 am , in reply to "Questions about shoe size and BRM qualification" 68.64.26.247 Don't worry about the shoe sizes. They should be able to accomodate you. We never had a problem in our company with the few folks who had odd or large sizes. They take extra time to make sure boots fit! Your feet will become your best friend! To the BRM question, I have the exact same quirk you have..left-handed but right dominant eye. When I first started BRM in ROTC it was horrible..couldn't hit the side of a barn it seems. This is before I knew I was right-eye dominant. They had me fire left-handed and patched up my right eye. Then a smarter cadre member, after a few rifle ranges, had me do the eye dominance test..now he could see I was right eye dominant. I started shooting right handed..actually I got used to it VERY quickly..started hitting targets, and went from Sharpshooter to Expert fairly quickly..I couldn't shoot left handed if I had to now! For those who want to try the eye dominance test, here's a link to determine which eye is the dominant one: Link: http://home.sprintmail.com/~fader/lasik/dominant.htm