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Posted by J.P on 3/29/2002, 1:23 pm

i was at the ny meps yesterday...and boy what a day...i got up at 400 to be there by 6 and i went through everything from the commanders briefngs to the medicals and physicals...now my problem is that i was told at the end of the day they couldnt get me a spot in the m.p training seat for the split op in the reserves...why did i have to go through the whole motion and medical for them to tell me theres no spots for me..is this just an example of military bull sh!t...?..btw i just got your book today and look forward to reading it...thanks..another thing is they offered me 2 jobs i didnt want...journalism and legal specialist....ive heard these 2 jobs require some intelligence and i was wonderin if they possibly said that my other job preferences were closed just because they wanted to fill one of these jobs.,..ive done well on the asvab and my recruiter knows im intelligent..ie: hes been to my school and everything....the meps counselor and recruiter told me they are goin to back some fone calls about gettin a job and what not..but im wonderin if this is a known tactic to get me to commit to a job that they would rather have....thanks...

Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/30/2002, 9:46 am , in reply to "MEPS YESTERDAY"

JP: I had a similar experience when I went to MEPS the first time. The irony is the job that I really wanted WAS journalist. They woundn't give it to me for two reasons: 1) the said the job was fronzen at the time (early January) and 2) I am color blind and that job requires normal color vision. I too did well on the ASVAB and have a college degree and they only offerd me 1 job...health care specialist. I had no interest in it and walked. I was told by one of the medical people who works at MEPS that I had become friendly with that sometimes all branches of the military try to push their "leftovers" on applicants. An interesting note is that--after I walked--other jobs which I had not been offered suddenly "appeared" as being available. They couldn't get me the journalism job, because of the color blind thing, but they did offer me a number of other jobs that they hadn't before. My advice to you is: if you really want the MP job and you're qualified for it, don't "settle" for anything less. The journalism job is a good job, if you're interested in that type of thing. And it doesn't strike me as the type of job they would have a hard time filling...you can usually tell which jobs they can't easily fill because they are the ones that carry an enlistment bonus. The 46 series jobs (journalism) never have to my knowledge. As long as you're actually qualified for the position (have the ASVAB scores, are physically qualified, can pass the background invetigation (which is quite rigourous for MP, I believe) then hold your ground. They do have the power to overbook classes or to take a slot away from, say, the Regular Army and convert it to an Army Reserve slot or vice versa (I was told this by aMEPS job counselor). So hang tough and remember: ultimately it's up to you to look out for your interests: your Recruiter works for the Army, not you. You know what your interests are and what you would happiest doing, so don't let anyone convince you to do something you're not interested in.

Posted by PJS on 3/29/2002, 12:24 am

my recruiter told me to bring a couple sets of sleepwear...just shorts and shirts ...b/c we are not allowed to sleep in our army issued clothes ... so should i bring sleep wear or not???

Posted by Raquel on 3/29/2002, 7:51 am , in reply to "PJS"

I would do what your recruiter says. Perhaps the post you are going to has a different policy? I have heard this recently about Ft Jackson. If you don't need the stuff, it'll be packed away, so no worries there.

Just some questions....

Posted by Brandon on 3/28/2002, 5:11 pm

Well, i've been trying to get in shape for basic (i ship out on may 23) by doing SUs and PUs Mon/Wed/Fri and today, i acutally ran. I signed up for a jogging PE class here at school and we ran a timed mile to set our baseline today. I'm not a runner, and I hardly ever exercise, but somewhow I ran it in 6 min, 29 sec. All my friends here tell me that's a good time, so my question is, is that a good time for basic?Hopefully by the time school is out and i ship out to basic, it'll be much better! Also, I don't know if this question is answerable here or not, but Im in the national gaurd, and I've recently (within the past two weeks) began toying with the idea of transferring to another school out of state. Would the National Gaurd gripe about this, or are transfers like that pretty norm? And what is my chance of actually getting it OKed if it's going to be a problem? One more last question...I'm getting my uniform at my next drill, so is this the uniform im going to take to basic, or will i leave it behind and get issued new ones at basic?Thanks everyone...Brandon

Re: Just some questions....

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:48 pm , in reply to "Just some questions...."

That's a very good run time to be starting out with. Keep it up and you'll do just fine there! Everyone will get their initial issue of BDUs when they arrive at the reception station at their BT post. I couldn't tell you anything about NG..I suggest going to one of the other two boards listed above and asking there.

Posted by Worried on 3/28/2002, 4:39 pm

My boyfriend just left for basic 3 weeks ago. He joined the ARNG. When he is finished with basic he goes to AIT of course. The training for this MOS is 44 weeks. Making his graduation in May of 2003. What I am wondering is if he will be able to come home either before he goes to AIT or during? I know they get the option to come home for Christmas but that will be 9 months. I'm rather attached to him, we have lived together for 5 years. He is an older recruit (23). Thanks for any info you can provide.

Re: MOS 35M and leave

Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 7:24 pm , in reply to "MOS 35M and leave"

I know for most of the longer AIT's they have breaks during the course of it. Then there is the two weeks during christmas season as well.

Re: MOS 35M and leave

Posted by worried on 3/28/2002, 8:19 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave"

So it is unlikely they will send him home after basic? The first part of his AIT is 11 weeks and then he has to change locations for the remaining 33 weeks. I found the AIT schedule on line. It doesn't look like he gets much of a break. Thanks for any more info you can give.

Re: MOS 35M and leave

Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 8:28 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave"

From what I understand 99 percent of the time you head from to AIT from Basic. I guess they want to get you while you are still fresh and what not. Perhaps Raquel can shed some light?

Re: MOS 35M and leave

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 8:49 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave"

Guess I forgot to answer! If you've already checked the AIT schedule and there is no break in there (sometimes there is for the longer MOSs), then he will not be taking a break. Also, it is rare that a soldier will go home between basic and AIT, except of course over Xmas....yep, gotta stay fresh and less chance of getting in trouble..also cheaper for the Army.

Posted by Q on 3/28/2002, 3:40 pm

i'm having trouble losing 12lbs...i'm very athletic and in pretty good shape, but for my height i'm considered over weight. any suggestions on the most efficient way to drop some pounds???

Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 7:21 pm , in reply to "weight..."

First rule, don't fall for fad diets..they almost never give long term results. In theory losing weight is simple. All you need to do is use more calories than you intake during the course of the day. Try a variety of cardio workouts. Walking an hour a day is a great way and very effective as well. Stay away from Pop, even diet pop..Nuetrasweet isn't very healthy. Just set realistic goals and go for it. Take it from me..at one time I weighed 330 at 6'2 and worked at Hardees restaurant... Now 3 years later I weigh 190 and am a physical fitness instructor at the local YMCA. Good luck!

Posted by Adam on 3/28/2002, 1:45 pm

Hi I play guitar and would like to continue playing throught my life. I know I will now have too much free time at Basic. But after would I be able to play. And I am going to be a Ranger, when at the Ranger Batallion would I be able to play. Thank You.

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:44 pm , in reply to "Music"

Once you get to your first duty station (after all your schools are said and done), you will have some time off..yes, you'll have long hours some days and work some weekends and be deployed for weeks at a time here and there, but you'll still get time off! I encourage you to pursue your music..there will be some stress and music is a great way to relax!

Posted by Adam on 3/27/2002, 11:55 pm

HiI am going to Basic in summer and am going to be a Ranger. When would the Army want me to get lazer eye sugery? Could I get it in between Basic and Ranger Training? Who qualifies for the sugery. Thank you.

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:37 pm , in reply to "Lazer Eye"

First let me say, don't get laser eye surgery before you try to enlist..it is a disqualifier. Laser surgery within the Army is not widespread, only some special operations troops (ie soldiers in rapid deployable units, some pilots, Special Forces, etc..) are currently eligible to have the Army do the surgery for them. They also do not do the traditional LASIK "painfree" surgery you see being advertised everywhere, but the more stable PRK surgery that was first developed in Russia. It's a different technique in that they don't cut the flap as they do in LASIK. With LASIK, there is always the chance that the flap can dislodge itself, for instance with a blow to the head as an example... Look down at the bottom of this board, there should be a link to a good article on Army PRK surgery. If it's already gone, go to www.google.com and type in PRK, Army, LASIK, eye surgery (not all at once) and you'll get to the articles.

Posted by Joe on 3/27/2002, 6:09 pm

i have a question....can i bring a camera to basic for instance a disposable or soemthing...if not can you buy these on base ..at the px?...

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:31 pm , in reply to "CAMERA"

You may bring a camera..most companies will pack it away til graduation week. Disposable cameras are also available at the PX.

GETTING OUT OF BASIC

Posted by Joe on 3/27/2002, 5:59 pm

i have a question....ive heard from a number of people that once your in the army...yoru in...no questions...but ive also heard that you can get out if you fail to adjust to the military.my question is..once i get to basic and say i hate it and i dont want to be there anymore...what can i do?..is there away to get out of the army with no strings attached or anything?

Re: GETTING OUT OF BASIC

Posted by James on 4/1/2002, 8:24 am , in reply to "GETTING OUT OF BASIC"

From what I gather, almost everyone hates the first few weeks, but once you get used to the flow of things, surviving there isn't difficult, its actually enjoyable... Don't give up or throw in the towel on something that is going to be the best thing to ever happen to you.

Posted by J.P on 3/27/2002, 5:56 pm

i have a question....i have a ting they call ibs...i dont know if anyone is familiar with it...but its...reallllly reallly bad stomach aches sometimes..that onyl get better with some quality time in the bathroom....now...sometimes it comes and i get through it other times i have to go....what will the ds's say about this...are thet understanding on this issue....i mean if i need to go to the bathroom wil they let you go...and ho long will they give you?...also...can i bring a little adress book with me down to basic will they let me keep that and not pack it away?...one last quetion...im a dep..is there anyway if by the time it comes to ship you dont want to ship and you dont want to join the army anymore..what happens? is it an els discharge or what?...im just curious...

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:30 pm , in reply to "STOMACH ACHE"

IBS may or may not be compatible with military life..I guess it depends on how severe it is. Regardless, at BT you will have to request every time you have to use the latrine and of course sometimes will be very inopportune times (imagine being out on the firing line and having to go). I have personally only seen one recruit who had IBS severe enough that she could not continue basic...again, I'm no doctor, but do know that you will have to ask permission to go (obviously if you are having an emergency they usually will grant permission right away). I cannot speak for all drill sergeants though...some may be pretty tough! I encourage you to bring a small address book. You'll have time to write and it's always nice to receive mail. I don't suggest you go in with the attitude "in case I fail"..then you will fail. If for some reason, you just can't hack it and there is nothing medically wrong with you, then you may be discharged under Entry Level Separation (ELS)..this is for all those in the military less than 6 months. First though, the drills and everyone there will try to motivate you to not give up. I can't tell you how many privates end up regretting giving up like that..it stays with you the rest of your life!

Posted by kevin on 3/27/2002, 12:39 pm

Will I be taking a military flight or a commercial to Fort Benning when I report for basic?

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:32 pm , in reply to "transportation"

Depending on how close you live, etc..you'll either go by bus or commercial plane.

Posted by Heather on 3/27/2002, 12:17 pm

I have exercise induced asthma, but am interested in joining the Army. Will this be a problem for me? Are privates allowed to use inhalers, etc.? I hope this doesn't ruin my hopes of a military career!

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:31 pm , in reply to "asthma"

I'm sorry but asthma is a disqualifyer in entering the military:-(( You may want to check with a recruiter anyway (I don't know how severe it is or if you are suffering from it lately) if you want to see a doc to check you out. If you're dead-set on trying, there will be no harm in going to see a recruiter. Please do tell the truth though. Many, many privates are sent home the first week after they are diagnosed with asthma or shortness of breath (some had no idea they had these conditions). Don't risk your health (and your life)!

Posted by Heather on 3/28/2002, 12:31 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma"

Does it make any difference that this is not a day-to-day thing? I don't take any sort of daily medications for it or anything - it only happens every now and then when I exercise and can probably be over come with some conditioning. I REALLY want to join!!! This stinks!

Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:23 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma"

At MEPS you'll have a doctor check you out, be honest. If you make it past their screening and go off to basic, then have trouble breathing or any other health problems, they will send you off to get evaluated. If they deem that you are unfit for service there, they will discharge you on an Existing Prior to Service (EPTS) Discharge. If you're okay, then you're okay and continue on. I am no doctor, so this is not medical advice..use your best judgment and the advice of your doctor.

Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/30/2002, 12:32 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma"

Over the last year, there have been, from what I have been told, a number of deaths at military basic training facilities as the result of recruits who had serious health issues that--had they been reported--would have DQed them from ever entering the military. Asthma can kill you if it is not managed properly and military BT is very strenuous...there is just no way of getting around this. I admire your desire to serve but don't think it's a good idea to risk your life. As Raquel said, there is no harm in talking to a Recruiter but you need to tell him or her about the Asthma right away. There are certian buzz words that, as soon as Recruiters hear them, cause them to say "sorry, we can't process you." Words like "probation" "heart problems" and "asthma" is one of those words. So the Recruiter will probably be polite but not very interested. Don't take this the wrong way...they are under ALOT of pressure to meet their mission and can't spend a lot of time with someone they know will not qualify for enlistment

Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/27/2002, 8:43 am

Hi: I recently joined the Army as an E-4. I have a BA & MA degree but was told "you'll never get into OCS...you're too old." But someone told me that you can get into OCS until age 35. On goarmy.com they said that OCS is up unitl age 29, with meritorious exceptions until age 32...it looks like I missed it by less than a year. But then someone told me it is possible to get into OCS unitl you reach age 35 (apparetnly 35 is the Congressionally mandated cutoff age). With a BA & MA degree, I hate to think that I have no shot at becomming an officer. My recruiter told me that with all of my education, I should be able to progress through the enlisted ranks fairly quickly (he said I could probably make E-5 after about 18 months if I do well). Any thoughts?

Posted by Tommy on 3/27/2002, 2:52 pm , in reply to "OCS @ 33?"

http://ocscampus.com/home/index2.htm This is what the OCS website has to say about peope in service. Funny, I came here to get answers and the first thing I do is answer a question. hope this helps.

OCS at 33 -- yes, I think.

Posted by Sarah F. on 3/27/2002, 9:46 am , in reply to "OCS @ 33?"

I've recently had all sorts of issues with OCS -- I enlisted in the National Guard, which has a 16 month OCS as one of its commissioning options. I'm not (yet) a citizen, but recently discovered that you only had to apply for citizenship to get in the NG OCS. Anyway, my advice to you is to talk to an *Officer* recruiter. They do exist, but are hard to find. Your enlisted recruiter probably gets a little scared about losing you for his numbers, but I was assured that doesn't actually happen. Talk to your recruiter and ask him/her for the name of the local officer recruiter. *They* will be able to give you the full story on OCS. For accelerated (7 week) or Federal (14 week) OCS, you have to have completed your AIT as well as BCT. If you're not yet 35 before you accept your commission, as far as I know, it is possible to get a waiver -- you have to go through your chain of command, somehow, but that's what an officer recruiter will help you with. I can't stress enough that you need to talk to someone whose job this is, and they do exist. Insist on getting a name of an Officer Recruiter from your enlisted recruiter, and call them ASAP! Time is of the essence, and it's a good idea to know what you need to do before you go to BCT. -Sarah F.

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 10:36 pm

I already sent a letter to my sister through express mail, then I went on a website saying that they don't accept mail that requires a signature. Is she going to get it or is it going to be sent back?

Re: Delivery of mail.

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:33 am , in reply to "Delivery of mail."

It will get to her. Any mail that has to be signed for is discouraged because that private has to be pulled from training, run back to the orderly room (with their buddy who will also miss training) just to sign for a letter..waste of the drill sergeants, the privates and the orderly room staff's time....and the privates could be missing valuable training time! In the future, please do send letters regular mail!

Posted by david on 3/26/2002, 6:20 pm

how do they score the asvab.to get the aqft

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:29 am , in reply to "asvab"

Please go to the "Resources". There is a whole section on ASVAB scoring. The Army uses a system a bit more complicated than the other services!

Posted by J on 3/26/2002, 3:56 pm

i was wondering do you get to choose your station after bt and ait training?

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:22 am , in reply to "station"

Don't quote me on this, but I do believe that you may be able to get it written into your contract, ie a choice of your first duty station. Otherwise, you go where there is an empty slot for your MOS and rank.

Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/27/2002, 8:52 am , in reply to "Re: station"

Yes, you can get it in your contract. I did. I live in Maryland and wanted somewhere relatively close to home. The 1st Sgt. of the recruiting battalion where I was recruited went to MEPS with me and talked to the liason (sp?) and came out with a list of where I could go with my particular job (56M...Chaplain's Assistant). I picked Ft. Drum, NY, only about an 8 hour drive from where I live. So, most definately, you can get it in your contract, but YOU have to push for it. It's like buying a car...you negotiate with the Army Liason about things that you want in your contract. And remember, only those things that are in writing are guarnteed. If it's not in writing in your enlistment contract, you have not been promised it. If you go to BCT without a 1st assignment in writing, you will still have a chance to fill out a questionaire as to where you would like to be stationed and they do their best to put you @ one of the locations you have specified but it will ultimately come down to the needs of the Army. My advice is : if your geographic location is a really big deal to you, get in writing as part of your contract.

Posted by question on 3/26/2002, 3:05 pm

if we bring what is on the list for us to bring to basics will it be sorted through and picked at by people...and will they make comments and such about everything we bring? Should i bring the required amount of bras , panties and other things or just wait until i get there and buy it at the px?

Shakedown at your BT company

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:58 am , in reply to "basic"

During "shakedown" when you first get to your BT company, you will dump all your belongings on the ground or floor. The drill sergeants will go through a list and you will have to hold each item up (you will have already bought things you didn't have at reception). This is where your civilian stuff gets sorted out and then locked away. You are the only one handling your stuff, although if you can't find something, a drill sergeant will "assist" you. Yes, you may get some comments that are intended to "keep you on your feet", but it's all part of the initial shock treatment:-))

Posted by kevin on 3/26/2002, 2:09 pm

If you have a friend that will be in your unit at basic, can you request that he is your buddy? When are buddies announced, at reception or the start of basic?

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:26 am , in reply to "buddy system"

No, you will not be able to pick who your buddy will be. Drills usually like to put a weak person with a strong person...or two people who they think will help each other out (of the same sex of course). You may have one buddy at reception, but when you go to BT you will be assigned one the first day by your platoon drill sergeants.

Posted by Kataratos on 3/27/2002, 12:49 pm , in reply to "Re: buddy system"

If for some reason you just can't stand your buddy...like they harrass you, beat you up, or something weird...any way you can change buddies?

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:33 pm , in reply to "Re: buddy system"

Everything will be at the drill sergeants' discretion. Obviously, if things are going drastically wrong, they are going to relook the situation. But if you have personality conflicts with your buddy (or you're motivated and he's not for instance), chances are you make the best of it!

Posted by lisa on 3/26/2002, 12:14 pm

i was told that it would be good to bring a black magic marker and tape... is that true and if so are tere any other items i may want to bring? Also are the odds of people stealing pretty high at basics?

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:20 am , in reply to "other things"

I would say there's nothing wrong with bringing a marker and tape. Every training post will be different in how they do things..I assume you would want it to label your stuff? You will run into recruits who steal just like in the civilian world (so in other words, don't give anyone an opportunity to take your stuff..one of the first lessons you will learn is that you will never leave your stuff unattended!)...Stealing is not tolerated in the Army of course, and the cadre take any act of stealing very seriously.

Posted by curious on 3/26/2002, 12:11 pm

if i just showed up with the clothes on my back would i be able to get everything at the px with just the money that is advanced to me... or should i at least pack all the "girl" essencials???

Posted by Kataratos on 3/26/2002, 4:16 pm , in reply to "packing"

At least take basic toiletries. toothbrush/toothpaste/soap/shampoo/and probably pads/tampons. Otherwise, from what I've heard you'd be ok getting stuff at the px.

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:27 am , in reply to "Re: packing"

Yes, you will have to "survive" from the time you leave home until about the second day at reception before you get a chance to go to the mini-PX there..you'll need basic stuff til then!

Posted by leavingapril1 on 3/26/2002, 12:02 pm

my hair will go into a ponytail but thats it.... it has a little stump and all do you suggest i just cut it to a bob....but if so could i put my hair half up to keep the front out of my face....

Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 9:01 am , in reply to "hair"

I suggest you cut it into a bob and then to keep the hair out of your face, use a flat barrette or rubberband to pull back the sides.

From BT straight to OCS?

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:19 am

My friend has a week and half split between BT and OCS. Can she fly back home for that week and half before going to OCS? If she goes straight to OCS from BT, what does she do in the mean time before OCS starts up for her?

Re: From BT straight to OCS?

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:02 am , in reply to "From BT straight to OCS?"

Rarely will they allow someone to go home between BT and OCS..too much potential for getting in trouble. She'll be in what's called a "holdover" at her BT post and will ship right before her OCS date (or they may ship her early to her OCS). Either way, they keep you busy while you are waiting.

How is it the first two weeks of BT?

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:15 am

What do female recruits do the first two weeks of BT in Fort Leonard Wood?

Re: How is it the first two weeks of BT?

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:00 am , in reply to "How is it the first two weeks of BT?"

Everyone does the same thing, male and female. You are under "total control" at this time and will have no free time..every part of your day is scheduled. You'll be doing lots of physical training, and most of your classes will be admin-like classes (you'll be sitting in chairs, listening to "lectures" and taking notes, hands-on training...no going out to the ranges yet). You'll also have lots of instruction in marching, marching and more marching! You'll be overwhelmed by how the Army does things differently and will be constantly "reminded" by the drill sergeants in your day to day activities. Many folks are scared during the first few weeks and want to go home...this is the strictest you will see the drill sergeants. You'll also struggle to stay awake in class as your body gets used to the early wake-ups, stress and increased activity. Stick with it though...if you can get through the first few weeks, things will get easier after that and believe it or not, most recruits actually enjoy the challenges, their drills and friendships made after this stressful time. Their bodies and minds adjust to this type of environment usually by the third week.

Can the recruits e-mail?

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:14 am

Can the recruits e-mail? Do they have access to a computer?

Re: Can the recruits e-mail?

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:54 am , in reply to "Can the recruits e-mail?"

Absolutely not! There will be no computer access in basic training!

When do the recruits have personal time?

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:12 am

When does the recruits have personal time to call home or write letters? My friend just started BT for about 2 weeks. Also, when they do call home, do they have a certain amount of time to be on the phone and how many people can they call in one day?

Re: When do the recruits have personal time?

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:53 am , in reply to "When do the recruits have personal time?"

Within the first few days of BT (once they actually get down to their basic training company), the drill sergeants will line the recruits up and get them to make one phone call home. It is only for a few minutes though (imagine a whole line behind them). As time permits, they'll be able to call after that..usually after the first three weeks, when they aren't under "total control" and can have a bit of free time, usually on Sundays.

When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates?

Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:09 am

I want to know if the letters that I send is being read by the drill sergeants or someone else for security reasons before the recruit gets to read it. Also, is there any restrictions on sending too much letters or pictures? I want to write to my friend in Fort Leonard Wood everyday.

Re: When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates?

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:51 am , in reply to "When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates?"

There are mail privacy laws in place..just like in the civilian world. No one will read your private's mail! Tasteful photos and lots of letters are okay. Your recruit may get some good natured ribbing from his drill sergeants, but that is normal. I encourage you to write!

Posted by Joe on 3/25/2002, 8:32 pm

My best friend is joining up as combat engineer, and was wondering where he would be sent for basic and AIT..and the duration of AIT would be great. thanks

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:14 am , in reply to "12b"

He will go to Ft Leonard Wood, MO. The actual length for the combined BT and AIT is 14 weeks (this is not including the days he will spend at reception). Make sure to visit the 35th Eng Battalion where he will do basic and AIT (this is called OSUT)..all in one unit.

Link: http://www.wood.army.mil/35th/

Initial Assment test

Posted by J.P on 3/25/2002, 7:49 pm

what do i have to be able to do to leave reception?...how many pushups how far of a run in how long anything else?...and if your able to do this...will the ds's work with you in order to get you to pass your final..ive heard diff numbers on the initial test and from what ive heard im right on the boarder of passin and failing..and id like to know where i am....thanks

Re: Initial Assment test

Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:37 am , in reply to "Re: Initial Assment test"

Please go to "Links of Knowledge". You will find the chart there. Yes, the cadre at the reception station have a physical training program in the Fitness Training Unit to help you pass (again, go see Links as this is thoroughly explained there).

Posted by kevin on 3/25/2002, 1:56 pm

Last night I watched Making Marines on Discovery. They showed the full three phases of the Marine boot camp. I am going to Benning with a 11X MOS. I heard that Benning is the toughest basic. Is their any comparison to the training at Parris Island that the Marines went through.

Re: Basic at Benning

Posted by Raquel on 3/25/2002, 3:34 pm , in reply to "Basic at Benning"

Actually, you will have a lot of similar training! You'll see admin-type classes and lots of memorization in the Army also. In the Army your assigned weapon is also an M16, and you go through some of the same courses (like the confidence course, pugil sticks, drill & ceremony) and training. Army BT, like Marine BT is also 12 weeks. Lots of physical training in the Army too, with most of the same exercises! Some differences...Army Reception (when you first arrive at your BT post) is not as shocking and harsh as it is with the Marines..you don't get "shocked" really in the Army until you actually get down to your basic training company AFTER reception. Marine DIs use different training techniques than their Army counterparts and God forbid you should EVER call your Army Drill Sergeant "Sir" (in the Marines you address them as Sir and Ma'am). You also will not have any water survival training in Army BT (you get training in that later)..plus, Marines use different words for everyday items than us Army folks(keep in mind, things that have to do with ships, etc....you go to "topside" rather than to your bunk, "head" vs. "latrine"..that kind of thing). Glad you had a chance to watch the special. They are great "eye openers" as to what to expect when you go to ANY of the service's basic training. Good luck!

Posted by Robert on 3/25/2002, 11:46 am

Hi: I enlisted in Army DEP a few weeks ago. I am supposed to leave in 9/24/02. I had been applying for jobs at the time I enlisted but hadn't actually recevied an offer. Today, I got a job offer for a professional position in Utah and would like to take it. My question is: can I get out of the DEP or is it an iron clad contract. I heard somewhere that you can get out of DEP simply by writing a letter requesting separation. Is this true? Anyone know?

Re: Getting out of DEP

Posted by Raquel on 3/25/2002, 12:29 pm , in reply to "Getting out of DEP"

Yes, you can get out of DEP. Just be sure it is what you really want. It is not encouraged or expected and yes, it will create some paperwork, but there are specific reasons where there should be minimal "heartache" getting it done. Finding a "better" job is not one of the specific reasons to get out of the contract (such things as mental disqualification, marriage, pregnancy, moral disqualification, hardship, dependency and the acceptance of a scholarship for higher education are some that I can think of off the top of my head). But regardless, you will not be coerced to serve, whatever the reason may be. Please read AR 601-56, which covers separations from DEP. Yes, you will have to write a letter. Just let your recruiter know so that he can get the paperwork started. They are required to try and sell you the Army one more time as well as the Army Reserves and then the paperwork will be initiated. See the reg below for more specifics.

Link: http://www.usarec.army.mil/im/formpub/REC_PUBS/R601_56.pdf



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MEPS YESTERDAY Posted by J.P on 3/29/2002, 1:23 pm 24.47.53.68 i was at the ny meps yesterday...and boy what a day...i got up at 400 to be there by 6 and i went through everything from the commanders briefngs to the medicals and physicals...now my problem is that i was told at the end of the day they couldnt get me a spot in the m.p training seat for the split op in the reserves...why did i have to go through the whole motion and medical for them to tell me theres no spots for me..is this just an example of military bull sh!t...?..btw i just got your book today and look forward to reading it...thanks..another thing is they offered me 2 jobs i didnt want...journalism and legal specialist....ive heard these 2 jobs require some intelligence and i was wonderin if they possibly said that my other job preferences were closed just because they wanted to fill one of these jobs.,..ive done well on the asvab and my recruiter knows im intelligent..ie: hes been to my school and everything....the meps counselor and recruiter told me they are goin to back some fone calls about gettin a job and what not..but im wonderin if this is a known tactic to get me to commit to a job that they would rather have....thanks... Re: MEPS YESTERDAY Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/30/2002, 9:46 am , in reply to "MEPS YESTERDAY" 64.26.69.130 JP: I had a similar experience when I went to MEPS the first time. The irony is the job that I really wanted WAS journalist. They woundn't give it to me for two reasons: 1) the said the job was fronzen at the time (early January) and 2) I am color blind and that job requires normal color vision. I too did well on the ASVAB and have a college degree and they only offerd me 1 job...health care specialist. I had no interest in it and walked. I was told by one of the medical people who works at MEPS that I had become friendly with that sometimes all branches of the military try to push their "leftovers" on applicants. An interesting note is that--after I walked--other jobs which I had not been offered suddenly "appeared" as being available. They couldn't get me the journalism job, because of the color blind thing, but they did offer me a number of other jobs that they hadn't before. My advice to you is: if you really want the MP job and you're qualified for it, don't "settle" for anything less. The journalism job is a good job, if you're interested in that type of thing. And it doesn't strike me as the type of job they would have a hard time filling...you can usually tell which jobs they can't easily fill because they are the ones that carry an enlistment bonus. The 46 series jobs (journalism) never have to my knowledge. As long as you're actually qualified for the position (have the ASVAB scores, are physically qualified, can pass the background invetigation (which is quite rigourous for MP, I believe) then hold your ground. They do have the power to overbook classes or to take a slot away from, say, the Regular Army and convert it to an Army Reserve slot or vice versa (I was told this by aMEPS job counselor). So hang tough and remember: ultimately it's up to you to look out for your interests: your Recruiter works for the Army, not you. You know what your interests are and what you would happiest doing, so don't let anyone convince you to do something you're not interested in. PJS Posted by PJS on 3/29/2002, 12:24 am 204.31.24.203 my recruiter told me to bring a couple sets of sleepwear...just shorts and shirts ...b/c we are not allowed to sleep in our army issued clothes ... so should i bring sleep wear or not??? Re: PJS Posted by Raquel on 3/29/2002, 7:51 am , in reply to "PJS" 204.119.242.226 I would do what your recruiter says. Perhaps the post you are going to has a different policy? I have heard this recently about Ft Jackson. If you don't need the stuff, it'll be packed away, so no worries there. Just some questions.... Posted by Brandon on 3/28/2002, 5:11 pm 128.255.191.196 Well, i've been trying to get in shape for basic (i ship out on may 23) by doing SUs and PUs Mon/Wed/Fri and today, i acutally ran. I signed up for a jogging PE class here at school and we ran a timed mile to set our baseline today. I'm not a runner, and I hardly ever exercise, but somewhow I ran it in 6 min, 29 sec. All my friends here tell me that's a good time, so my question is, is that a good time for basic?Hopefully by the time school is out and i ship out to basic, it'll be much better! Also, I don't know if this question is answerable here or not, but Im in the national gaurd, and I've recently (within the past two weeks) began toying with the idea of transferring to another school out of state. Would the National Gaurd gripe about this, or are transfers like that pretty norm? And what is my chance of actually getting it OKed if it's going to be a problem? One more last question...I'm getting my uniform at my next drill, so is this the uniform im going to take to basic, or will i leave it behind and get issued new ones at basic?Thanks everyone...Brandon Re: Just some questions.... Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:48 pm , in reply to "Just some questions...." 204.119.245.144 That's a very good run time to be starting out with. Keep it up and you'll do just fine there! Everyone will get their initial issue of BDUs when they arrive at the reception station at their BT post. I couldn't tell you anything about NG..I suggest going to one of the other two boards listed above and asking there. MOS 35M and leave Posted by Worried on 3/28/2002, 4:39 pm 149.175.21.105 My boyfriend just left for basic 3 weeks ago. He joined the ARNG. When he is finished with basic he goes to AIT of course. The training for this MOS is 44 weeks. Making his graduation in May of 2003. What I am wondering is if he will be able to come home either before he goes to AIT or during? I know they get the option to come home for Christmas but that will be 9 months. I'm rather attached to him, we have lived together for 5 years. He is an older recruit (23). Thanks for any info you can provide. Re: MOS 35M and leave Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 7:24 pm , in reply to "MOS 35M and leave" 208.16.251.5 I know for most of the longer AIT's they have breaks during the course of it. Then there is the two weeks during christmas season as well. Re: MOS 35M and leave Posted by worried on 3/28/2002, 8:19 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave" 12.224.151.54 So it is unlikely they will send him home after basic? The first part of his AIT is 11 weeks and then he has to change locations for the remaining 33 weeks. I found the AIT schedule on line. It doesn't look like he gets much of a break. Thanks for any more info you can give. Re: MOS 35M and leave Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 8:28 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave" 208.16.251.5 From what I understand 99 percent of the time you head from to AIT from Basic. I guess they want to get you while you are still fresh and what not. Perhaps Raquel can shed some light? Re: MOS 35M and leave Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 8:49 pm , in reply to "Re: MOS 35M and leave" 204.119.245.76 Guess I forgot to answer! If you've already checked the AIT schedule and there is no break in there (sometimes there is for the longer MOSs), then he will not be taking a break. Also, it is rare that a soldier will go home between basic and AIT, except of course over Xmas....yep, gotta stay fresh and less chance of getting in trouble..also cheaper for the Army. weight... Posted by Q on 3/28/2002, 3:40 pm 152.163.213.72 i'm having trouble losing 12lbs...i'm very athletic and in pretty good shape, but for my height i'm considered over weight. any suggestions on the most efficient way to drop some pounds??? Re: weight... Posted by Joe on 3/28/2002, 7:21 pm , in reply to "weight..." 208.16.251.5 First rule, don't fall for fad diets..they almost never give long term results. In theory losing weight is simple. All you need to do is use more calories than you intake during the course of the day. Try a variety of cardio workouts. Walking an hour a day is a great way and very effective as well. Stay away from Pop, even diet pop..Nuetrasweet isn't very healthy. Just set realistic goals and go for it. Take it from me..at one time I weighed 330 at 6'2 and worked at Hardees restaurant... Now 3 years later I weigh 190 and am a physical fitness instructor at the local YMCA. Good luck! Music Posted by Adam on 3/28/2002, 1:45 pm 142.179.56.201 Hi I play guitar and would like to continue playing throught my life. I know I will now have too much free time at Basic. But after would I be able to play. And I am going to be a Ranger, when at the Ranger Batallion would I be able to play. Thank You. Re: Music Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:44 pm , in reply to "Music" 204.119.245.144 Once you get to your first duty station (after all your schools are said and done), you will have some time off..yes, you'll have long hours some days and work some weekends and be deployed for weeks at a time here and there, but you'll still get time off! I encourage you to pursue your music..there will be some stress and music is a great way to relax! Lazer Eye Posted by Adam on 3/27/2002, 11:55 pm 142.179.56.201 HiI am going to Basic in summer and am going to be a Ranger. When would the Army want me to get lazer eye sugery? Could I get it in between Basic and Ranger Training? Who qualifies for the sugery. Thank you. Re: Lazer Eye Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:37 pm , in reply to "Lazer Eye" 204.119.245.144 First let me say, don't get laser eye surgery before you try to enlist..it is a disqualifier. Laser surgery within the Army is not widespread, only some special operations troops (ie soldiers in rapid deployable units, some pilots, Special Forces, etc..) are currently eligible to have the Army do the surgery for them. They also do not do the traditional LASIK "painfree" surgery you see being advertised everywhere, but the more stable PRK surgery that was first developed in Russia. It's a different technique in that they don't cut the flap as they do in LASIK. With LASIK, there is always the chance that the flap can dislodge itself, for instance with a blow to the head as an example... Look down at the bottom of this board, there should be a link to a good article on Army PRK surgery. If it's already gone, go to www.google.com and type in PRK, Army, LASIK, eye surgery (not all at once) and you'll get to the articles. CAMERA Posted by Joe on 3/27/2002, 6:09 pm 24.47.53.68 i have a question....can i bring a camera to basic for instance a disposable or soemthing...if not can you buy these on base ..at the px?... Re: CAMERA Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:31 pm , in reply to "CAMERA" 204.119.245.144 You may bring a camera..most companies will pack it away til graduation week. Disposable cameras are also available at the PX. GETTING OUT OF BASIC Posted by Joe on 3/27/2002, 5:59 pm 24.47.53.68 i have a question....ive heard from a number of people that once your in the army...yoru in...no questions...but ive also heard that you can get out if you fail to adjust to the military.my question is..once i get to basic and say i hate it and i dont want to be there anymore...what can i do?..is there away to get out of the army with no strings attached or anything? Re: GETTING OUT OF BASIC Posted by James on 4/1/2002, 8:24 am , in reply to "GETTING OUT OF BASIC" 63.79.77.125 From what I gather, almost everyone hates the first few weeks, but once you get used to the flow of things, surviving there isn't difficult, its actually enjoyable... Don't give up or throw in the towel on something that is going to be the best thing to ever happen to you. STOMACH ACHE Posted by J.P on 3/27/2002, 5:56 pm 24.47.53.68 i have a question....i have a ting they call ibs...i dont know if anyone is familiar with it...but its...reallllly reallly bad stomach aches sometimes..that onyl get better with some quality time in the bathroom....now...sometimes it comes and i get through it other times i have to go....what will the ds's say about this...are thet understanding on this issue....i mean if i need to go to the bathroom wil they let you go...and ho long will they give you?...also...can i bring a little adress book with me down to basic will they let me keep that and not pack it away?...one last quetion...im a dep..is there anyway if by the time it comes to ship you dont want to ship and you dont want to join the army anymore..what happens? is it an els discharge or what?...im just curious... Re: STOMACH ACHE Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:30 pm , in reply to "STOMACH ACHE" 204.119.245.144 IBS may or may not be compatible with military life..I guess it depends on how severe it is. Regardless, at BT you will have to request every time you have to use the latrine and of course sometimes will be very inopportune times (imagine being out on the firing line and having to go). I have personally only seen one recruit who had IBS severe enough that she could not continue basic...again, I'm no doctor, but do know that you will have to ask permission to go (obviously if you are having an emergency they usually will grant permission right away). I cannot speak for all drill sergeants though...some may be pretty tough! I encourage you to bring a small address book. You'll have time to write and it's always nice to receive mail. I don't suggest you go in with the attitude "in case I fail"..then you will fail. If for some reason, you just can't hack it and there is nothing medically wrong with you, then you may be discharged under Entry Level Separation (ELS)..this is for all those in the military less than 6 months. First though, the drills and everyone there will try to motivate you to not give up. I can't tell you how many privates end up regretting giving up like that..it stays with you the rest of your life! transportation Posted by kevin on 3/27/2002, 12:39 pm 205.188.198.151 Will I be taking a military flight or a commercial to Fort Benning when I report for basic? Re: transportation Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:32 pm , in reply to "transportation" 204.119.245.192 Depending on how close you live, etc..you'll either go by bus or commercial plane. asthma Posted by Heather on 3/27/2002, 12:17 pm 199.67.140.25 I have exercise induced asthma, but am interested in joining the Army. Will this be a problem for me? Are privates allowed to use inhalers, etc.? I hope this doesn't ruin my hopes of a military career! Re: asthma Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:31 pm , in reply to "asthma" 204.119.245.192 I'm sorry but asthma is a disqualifyer in entering the military:-(( You may want to check with a recruiter anyway (I don't know how severe it is or if you are suffering from it lately) if you want to see a doc to check you out. If you're dead-set on trying, there will be no harm in going to see a recruiter. Please do tell the truth though. Many, many privates are sent home the first week after they are diagnosed with asthma or shortness of breath (some had no idea they had these conditions). Don't risk your health (and your life)! Re: asthma Posted by Heather on 3/28/2002, 12:31 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma" 199.67.138.25 Does it make any difference that this is not a day-to-day thing? I don't take any sort of daily medications for it or anything - it only happens every now and then when I exercise and can probably be over come with some conditioning. I REALLY want to join!!! This stinks! Re: asthma Posted by Raquel on 3/28/2002, 7:23 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma" 204.119.245.144 At MEPS you'll have a doctor check you out, be honest. If you make it past their screening and go off to basic, then have trouble breathing or any other health problems, they will send you off to get evaluated. If they deem that you are unfit for service there, they will discharge you on an Existing Prior to Service (EPTS) Discharge. If you're okay, then you're okay and continue on. I am no doctor, so this is not medical advice..use your best judgment and the advice of your doctor. Re: asthma Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/30/2002, 12:32 pm , in reply to "Re: asthma" 64.26.69.130 Over the last year, there have been, from what I have been told, a number of deaths at military basic training facilities as the result of recruits who had serious health issues that--had they been reported--would have DQed them from ever entering the military. Asthma can kill you if it is not managed properly and military BT is very strenuous...there is just no way of getting around this. I admire your desire to serve but don't think it's a good idea to risk your life. As Raquel said, there is no harm in talking to a Recruiter but you need to tell him or her about the Asthma right away. There are certian buzz words that, as soon as Recruiters hear them, cause them to say "sorry, we can't process you." Words like "probation" "heart problems" and "asthma" is one of those words. So the Recruiter will probably be polite but not very interested. Don't take this the wrong way...they are under ALOT of pressure to meet their mission and can't spend a lot of time with someone they know will not qualify for enlistment OCS @ 33? Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/27/2002, 8:43 am 64.26.69.130 Hi: I recently joined the Army as an E-4. I have a BA & MA degree but was told "you'll never get into OCS...you're too old." But someone told me that you can get into OCS until age 35. On goarmy.com they said that OCS is up unitl age 29, with meritorious exceptions until age 32...it looks like I missed it by less than a year. But then someone told me it is possible to get into OCS unitl you reach age 35 (apparetnly 35 is the Congressionally mandated cutoff age). With a BA & MA degree, I hate to think that I have no shot at becomming an officer. My recruiter told me that with all of my education, I should be able to progress through the enlisted ranks fairly quickly (he said I could probably make E-5 after about 18 months if I do well). Any thoughts? You may be in luck Posted by Tommy on 3/27/2002, 2:52 pm , in reply to "OCS @ 33?" 138.89.140.140 http://ocscampus.com/home/index2.htm This is what the OCS website has to say about peope in service. Funny, I came here to get answers and the first thing I do is answer a question. hope this helps. OCS at 33 -- yes, I think. Posted by Sarah F. on 3/27/2002, 9:46 am , in reply to "OCS @ 33?" 207.75.181.45 I've recently had all sorts of issues with OCS -- I enlisted in the National Guard, which has a 16 month OCS as one of its commissioning options. I'm not (yet) a citizen, but recently discovered that you only had to apply for citizenship to get in the NG OCS. Anyway, my advice to you is to talk to an Officer recruiter. They do exist, but are hard to find. Your enlisted recruiter probably gets a little scared about losing you for his numbers, but I was assured that doesn't actually happen. Talk to your recruiter and ask him/her for the name of the local officer recruiter. They will be able to give you the full story on OCS. For accelerated (7 week) or Federal (14 week) OCS, you have to have completed your AIT as well as BCT. If you're not yet 35 before you accept your commission, as far as I know, it is possible to get a waiver -- you have to go through your chain of command, somehow, but that's what an officer recruiter will help you with. I can't stress enough that you need to talk to someone whose job this is, and they do exist. Insist on getting a name of an Officer Recruiter from your enlisted recruiter, and call them ASAP! Time is of the essence, and it's a good idea to know what you need to do before you go to BCT. -Sarah F. Delivery of mail. Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 10:36 pm 24.25.243.22 I already sent a letter to my sister through express mail, then I went on a website saying that they don't accept mail that requires a signature. Is she going to get it or is it going to be sent back? Re: Delivery of mail. Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:33 am , in reply to "Delivery of mail." 204.119.245.205 It will get to her. Any mail that has to be signed for is discouraged because that private has to be pulled from training, run back to the orderly room (with their buddy who will also miss training) just to sign for a letter..waste of the drill sergeants, the privates and the orderly room staff's time....and the privates could be missing valuable training time! In the future, please do send letters regular mail! asvab Posted by david on 3/26/2002, 6:20 pm 152.163.195.182 how do they score the asvab.to get the aqft Re: asvab Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:29 am , in reply to "asvab" 204.119.245.205 Please go to the "Resources". There is a whole section on ASVAB scoring. The Army uses a system a bit more complicated than the other services! station Posted by J on 3/26/2002, 3:56 pm 63.39.36.30 i was wondering do you get to choose your station after bt and ait training? Re: station Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:22 am , in reply to "station" 204.119.245.205 Don't quote me on this, but I do believe that you may be able to get it written into your contract, ie a choice of your first duty station. Otherwise, you go where there is an empty slot for your MOS and rank. Re: station Posted by Dave Truitt on 3/27/2002, 8:52 am , in reply to "Re: station" 64.26.69.130 Yes, you can get it in your contract. I did. I live in Maryland and wanted somewhere relatively close to home. The 1st Sgt. of the recruiting battalion where I was recruited went to MEPS with me and talked to the liason (sp?) and came out with a list of where I could go with my particular job (56M...Chaplain's Assistant). I picked Ft. Drum, NY, only about an 8 hour drive from where I live. So, most definately, you can get it in your contract, but YOU have to push for it. It's like buying a car...you negotiate with the Army Liason about things that you want in your contract. And remember, only those things that are in writing are guarnteed. If it's not in writing in your enlistment contract, you have not been promised it. If you go to BCT without a 1st assignment in writing, you will still have a chance to fill out a questionaire as to where you would like to be stationed and they do their best to put you @ one of the locations you have specified but it will ultimately come down to the needs of the Army. My advice is : if your geographic location is a really big deal to you, get in writing as part of your contract. basic Posted by question on 3/26/2002, 3:05 pm 207.221.161.47 if we bring what is on the list for us to bring to basics will it be sorted through and picked at by people...and will they make comments and such about everything we bring? Should i bring the required amount of bras , panties and other things or just wait until i get there and buy it at the px? Shakedown at your BT company Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:58 am , in reply to "basic" 204.119.245.205 During "shakedown" when you first get to your BT company, you will dump all your belongings on the ground or floor. The drill sergeants will go through a list and you will have to hold each item up (you will have already bought things you didn't have at reception). This is where your civilian stuff gets sorted out and then locked away. You are the only one handling your stuff, although if you can't find something, a drill sergeant will "assist" you. Yes, you may get some comments that are intended to "keep you on your feet", but it's all part of the initial shock treatment:-)) buddy system Posted by kevin on 3/26/2002, 2:09 pm 64.12.107.23 If you have a friend that will be in your unit at basic, can you request that he is your buddy? When are buddies announced, at reception or the start of basic? Re: buddy system Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:26 am , in reply to "buddy system" 204.119.245.205 No, you will not be able to pick who your buddy will be. Drills usually like to put a weak person with a strong person...or two people who they think will help each other out (of the same sex of course). You may have one buddy at reception, but when you go to BT you will be assigned one the first day by your platoon drill sergeants. Re: buddy system Posted by Kataratos on 3/27/2002, 12:49 pm , in reply to "Re: buddy system" 205.188.200.172 If for some reason you just can't stand your buddy...like they harrass you, beat you up, or something weird...any way you can change buddies? Re: buddy system Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 5:33 pm , in reply to "Re: buddy system" 204.119.245.192 Everything will be at the drill sergeants' discretion. Obviously, if things are going drastically wrong, they are going to relook the situation. But if you have personality conflicts with your buddy (or you're motivated and he's not for instance), chances are you make the best of it! other things Posted by lisa on 3/26/2002, 12:14 pm 204.30.243.116 i was told that it would be good to bring a black magic marker and tape... is that true and if so are tere any other items i may want to bring? Also are the odds of people stealing pretty high at basics? Re: other things Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:20 am , in reply to "other things" 204.119.245.205 I would say there's nothing wrong with bringing a marker and tape. Every training post will be different in how they do things..I assume you would want it to label your stuff? You will run into recruits who steal just like in the civilian world (so in other words, don't give anyone an opportunity to take your stuff..one of the first lessons you will learn is that you will never leave your stuff unattended!)...Stealing is not tolerated in the Army of course, and the cadre take any act of stealing very seriously. packing Posted by curious on 3/26/2002, 12:11 pm 204.30.243.116 if i just showed up with the clothes on my back would i be able to get everything at the px with just the money that is advanced to me... or should i at least pack all the "girl" essencials??? Re: packing Posted by Kataratos on 3/26/2002, 4:16 pm , in reply to "packing" 152.163.213.57 At least take basic toiletries. toothbrush/toothpaste/soap/shampoo/and probably pads/tampons. Otherwise, from what I've heard you'd be ok getting stuff at the px. Re: packing Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 8:27 am , in reply to "Re: packing" 204.119.245.205 Yes, you will have to "survive" from the time you leave home until about the second day at reception before you get a chance to go to the mini-PX there..you'll need basic stuff til then! hair Posted by leavingapril1 on 3/26/2002, 12:02 pm 204.30.243.116 my hair will go into a ponytail but thats it.... it has a little stump and all do you suggest i just cut it to a bob....but if so could i put my hair half up to keep the front out of my face.... Re: hair Posted by Raquel on 3/27/2002, 9:01 am , in reply to "hair" 204.119.245.205 I suggest you cut it into a bob and then to keep the hair out of your face, use a flat barrette or rubberband to pull back the sides. From BT straight to OCS? Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:19 am 24.25.243.22 My friend has a week and half split between BT and OCS. Can she fly back home for that week and half before going to OCS? If she goes straight to OCS from BT, what does she do in the mean time before OCS starts up for her? Re: From BT straight to OCS? Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:02 am , in reply to "From BT straight to OCS?" 204.119.242.131 Rarely will they allow someone to go home between BT and OCS..too much potential for getting in trouble. She'll be in what's called a "holdover" at her BT post and will ship right before her OCS date (or they may ship her early to her OCS). Either way, they keep you busy while you are waiting. How is it the first two weeks of BT? Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:15 am 24.25.243.22 What do female recruits do the first two weeks of BT in Fort Leonard Wood? Re: How is it the first two weeks of BT? Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:00 am , in reply to "How is it the first two weeks of BT?" 204.119.242.131 Everyone does the same thing, male and female. You are under "total control" at this time and will have no free time..every part of your day is scheduled. You'll be doing lots of physical training, and most of your classes will be admin-like classes (you'll be sitting in chairs, listening to "lectures" and taking notes, hands-on training...no going out to the ranges yet). You'll also have lots of instruction in marching, marching and more marching! You'll be overwhelmed by how the Army does things differently and will be constantly "reminded" by the drill sergeants in your day to day activities. Many folks are scared during the first few weeks and want to go home...this is the strictest you will see the drill sergeants. You'll also struggle to stay awake in class as your body gets used to the early wake-ups, stress and increased activity. Stick with it though...if you can get through the first few weeks, things will get easier after that and believe it or not, most recruits actually enjoy the challenges, their drills and friendships made after this stressful time. Their bodies and minds adjust to this type of environment usually by the third week. Can the recruits e-mail? Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:14 am 24.25.243.22 Can the recruits e-mail? Do they have access to a computer? Re: Can the recruits e-mail? Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:54 am , in reply to "Can the recruits e-mail?" 204.119.242.131 Absolutely not! There will be no computer access in basic training! When do the recruits have personal time? Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:12 am 24.25.243.22 When does the recruits have personal time to call home or write letters? My friend just started BT for about 2 weeks. Also, when they do call home, do they have a certain amount of time to be on the phone and how many people can they call in one day? Re: When do the recruits have personal time? Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:53 am , in reply to "When do the recruits have personal time?" 204.119.242.131 Within the first few days of BT (once they actually get down to their basic training company), the drill sergeants will line the recruits up and get them to make one phone call home. It is only for a few minutes though (imagine a whole line behind them). As time permits, they'll be able to call after that..usually after the first three weeks, when they aren't under "total control" and can have a bit of free time, usually on Sundays. When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates? Posted by Anxious on 3/26/2002, 4:09 am 24.25.243.22 I want to know if the letters that I send is being read by the drill sergeants or someone else for security reasons before the recruit gets to read it. Also, is there any restrictions on sending too much letters or pictures? I want to write to my friend in Fort Leonard Wood everyday. Re: When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates? Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:51 am , in reply to "When sending letters to privates, does it get read before it is given to the privates?" 204.119.242.131 There are mail privacy laws in place..just like in the civilian world. No one will read your private's mail! Tasteful photos and lots of letters are okay. Your recruit may get some good natured ribbing from his drill sergeants, but that is normal. I encourage you to write! 12b Posted by Joe on 3/25/2002, 8:32 pm 208.16.251.5 My best friend is joining up as combat engineer, and was wondering where he would be sent for basic and AIT..and the duration of AIT would be great. thanks Re: 12b Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 8:14 am , in reply to "12b" 204.119.242.131 He will go to Ft Leonard Wood, MO. The actual length for the combined BT and AIT is 14 weeks (this is not including the days he will spend at reception). Make sure to visit the 35th Eng Battalion where he will do basic and AIT (this is called OSUT)..all in one unit. Link: http://www.wood.army.mil/35th/ Initial Assment test Posted by J.P on 3/25/2002, 7:49 pm 24.47.53.68 what do i have to be able to do to leave reception?...how many pushups how far of a run in how long anything else?...and if your able to do this...will the ds's work with you in order to get you to pass your final..ive heard diff numbers on the initial test and from what ive heard im right on the boarder of passin and failing..and id like to know where i am....thanks Re: Initial Assment test Posted by Raquel on 3/26/2002, 7:37 am , in reply to "Re: Initial Assment test" 204.119.242.131 Please go to "Links of Knowledge". You will find the chart there. Yes, the cadre at the reception station have a physical training program in the Fitness Training Unit to help you pass (again, go see Links as this is thoroughly explained there). Basic at Benning Posted by kevin on 3/25/2002, 1:56 pm 64.12.107.24 Last night I watched Making Marines on Discovery. They showed the full three phases of the Marine boot camp. I am going to Benning with a 11X MOS. I heard that Benning is the toughest basic. Is their any comparison to the training at Parris Island that the Marines went through. Re: Basic at Benning Posted by Raquel on 3/25/2002, 3:34 pm , in reply to "Basic at Benning" 204.119.242.238 Actually, you will have a lot of similar training! You'll see admin-type classes and lots of memorization in the Army also. In the Army your assigned weapon is also an M16, and you go through some of the same courses (like the confidence course, pugil sticks, drill & ceremony) and training. Army BT, like Marine BT is also 12 weeks. Lots of physical training in the Army too, with most of the same exercises! Some differences...Army Reception (when you first arrive at your BT post) is not as shocking and harsh as it is with the Marines..you don't get "shocked" really in the Army until you actually get down to your basic training company AFTER reception. Marine DIs use different training techniques than their Army counterparts and God forbid you should EVER call your Army Drill Sergeant "Sir" (in the Marines you address them as Sir and Ma'am). You also will not have any water survival training in Army BT (you get training in that later)..plus, Marines use different words for everyday items than us Army folks(keep in mind, things that have to do with ships, etc....you go to "topside" rather than to your bunk, "head" vs. "latrine"..that kind of thing). Glad you had a chance to watch the special. They are great "eye openers" as to what to expect when you go to ANY of the service's basic training. Good luck! Getting out of DEP Posted by Robert on 3/25/2002, 11:46 am 64.26.69.130 Hi: I enlisted in Army DEP a few weeks ago. I am supposed to leave in 9/24/02. I had been applying for jobs at the time I enlisted but hadn't actually recevied an offer. Today, I got a job offer for a professional position in Utah and would like to take it. My question is: can I get out of the DEP or is it an iron clad contract. I heard somewhere that you can get out of DEP simply by writing a letter requesting separation. Is this true? Anyone know? Re: Getting out of DEP Posted by Raquel on 3/25/2002, 12:29 pm , in reply to "Getting out of DEP" 204.119.243.28 Yes, you can get out of DEP. Just be sure it is what you really want. It is not encouraged or expected and yes, it will create some paperwork, but there are specific reasons where there should be minimal "heartache" getting it done. Finding a "better" job is not one of the specific reasons to get out of the contract (such things as mental disqualification, marriage, pregnancy, moral disqualification, hardship, dependency and the acceptance of a scholarship for higher education are some that I can think of off the top of my head). But regardless, you will not be coerced to serve, whatever the reason may be. Please read AR 601-56, which covers separations from DEP. Yes, you will have to write a letter. Just let your recruiter know so that he can get the paperwork started. They are required to try and sell you the Army one more time as well as the Army Reserves and then the paperwork will be initiated. See the reg below for more specifics. Link: http://www.usarec.army.mil/im/formpub/REC_PUBS/R601_56.pdf

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